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Post by ironman95 on Sept 25, 2009 15:14:41 GMT -5
The Knicks signed two more players for their camp roster: Marcus Landry and Ron Howard. D'Antoni says Gallinari is the best shooter he has ever seen. Walsh says the Knicks will have more cap room than any other team in 2010. Nate has officially re-signed also according to Walsh, terms undisclosed at this time. Anybody know anything about Ron Howard and Marcus Landry?
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Post by irish2u2 on Sept 25, 2009 15:27:28 GMT -5
The Knicks signed two more players for their camp roster: Marcus Landry and Ron Howard. D'Antoni says Gallinari is the best shooter he has ever seen. Walsh says the Knicks will have more cap room than any other team in 2010. Nate has officially re-signed also according to Walsh, terms undisclosed at this time. Anybody know anything about Ron Howard and Marcus Landry? Ron Howard has had a helluva career as an actor and director. ; ) On the basketball side he is a 6'5, 185lb swingman from Valpariso who averaged almost 19 ppg while shooting 48%+in the NBADL last year. Marcus Landry is Carl Landry's "little brother". The 6'7, 230lb SF is from Wisconsin. I think Gallo's stroke is pretty awesome too and even more impressive is the fact that he is healthy now and can participate through camp and the pre-season games. That has to help. Walsh made us squirm a bit but finally we got Lee and Nate under contract and we have an idea who will be on this team. |
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Post by ironman95 on Sept 25, 2009 16:02:35 GMT -5
Landry was an undrafted senior, who shot the three pretty well, according to the stats I saw. The college three is different than the pro three though. I think the one thing still missing on this team, besides center being a question mark of sorts, and point guard still not a real strong position, is the wing player who can hit the open three. The Eddie House, Linus Kleiza, Matt Harpring and I could mention a few others type of player. That is what the coach has to find in camp for one of the two or three open spots on the roster. I might note that Mobley is still taking up a roster spot, which leaves only two spots open, if my math is correct. Three is they do something with Mobley's contract. Also by my count now, the roster is at 19, and 12 roster spots plus Mobley are set. So 7 players are attempting to gain one of two spots left. Hunter, Crawford, Yue, Pruitt, Carter, Landry and Howard. Hunter, Carter and Landry are forwards, and those spots are crowded, so unless one of them does something special, like shoot lights out, I don't give them much of a chance. I'd say one guard has a lock on making the squad. Which one, I have no idea. He probably has to shoot well and play some defense. I give Crawford the best odds, with Yue my dark horse candidate. I guess it is debateable whether Yue is a forward or a guard, but I see him as guard. They sure have a lot of bodies for camp though. I am relieved that the signings of Lee and Nate have finally been taken care of. Now everyone will be in camp, and let the battles begin to see who makes that starting lineup and 8-9 man rotation. I am most optimistic that David Lee, hopefully will never play center again. That would be a really good thing, and with Curry(hopefully) playing some, Darko and Hill available for that postion and maybe even Gallinari, Lee can stay at PF where he belongs.
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Post by greatgates on Sept 25, 2009 19:52:27 GMT -5
Landry was an undrafted senior, who shot the three pretty well, according to the stats I saw. The college three is different than the pro three though. I think the one thing still missing on this team, besides center being a question mark of sorts, and point guard still not a real strong position, is the wing player who can hit the open three. The Eddie House, Linus Kleiza, Matt Harpring and I could mention a few others type of player. That is what the coach has to find in camp for one of the two or three open spots on the roster. I might note that Mobley is still taking up a roster spot, which leaves only two spots open, if my math is correct. Three is they do something with Mobley's contract. Also by my count now, the roster is at 19, and 12 roster spots plus Mobley are set. So 7 players are attempting to gain one of two spots left. Hunter, Crawford, Yue, Pruitt, Carter, Landry and Howard. Hunter, Carter and Landry are forwards, and those spots are crowded, so unless one of them does something special, like shoot lights out, I don't give them much of a chance. I'd say one guard has a lock on making the squad. Which one, I have no idea. He probably has to shoot well and play some defense. I give Crawford the best odds, with Yue my dark horse candidate. I guess it is debateable whether Yue is a forward or a guard, but I see him as guard. They sure have a lot of bodies for camp though. I am relieved that the signings of Lee and Nate have finally been taken care of. Now everyone will be in camp, and let the battles begin to see who makes that starting lineup and 8-9 man rotation. I am most optimistic that David Lee, hopefully will never play center again. That would be a really good thing, and with Curry(hopefully) playing some, Darko and Hill available for that postion and maybe even Gallinari, Lee can stay at PF where he belongs. |
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Post by ironman95 on Sept 26, 2009 10:31:38 GMT -5
In my ideal run and gun alignment, Gallo is already in the lineup along with Hill, Lee and Duhon. So my wing player has to come from Chandler, Hughes, Robinson(not really) or one of the draftees or invitees. I'd nominate Chandler, but not sure he has real 3 point range. Lee and Gallinari are pick and roll, baseline players. So I expect Gallinari to set up on the baseline, not out front. Hill and Lee, or Darko are put back, rebounders. Duhon is running the whole thing, so I still need a wing player who can reliably hit the 3 down to 18 footer. Chandler is the best candidate, but looking beyond him, I want one of the new guys to emerge. I think we are going to wind up seeing Gallinari as an offensive center, with Darko or Hill playing the defensive center, at some point in the season, once it is established that Eddy doesn't fit. Have to groom Gallinari for either PF or Center if LeBron is coming, because he will be our SF in 2010. Gallinari is going to be more like Nowitzki with a better 3 point shot, ideally. So eventually he will not be playing SF. Maybe this year, but not in future years.
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Post by ironman95 on Sept 26, 2009 11:12:59 GMT -5
In Newsday this AM, Walsh is not impressed or optimistic with Curry, who has scrimmaged a few times, and has developed a hamstring injury already. Nate signed for 4mil and Lee 7mil with each having a 1mil bonus for making the playoffs. Darko is due in from Serbia today. Training camp starts Monday in Saratoga. I think the projections of Eddy Curry in the starting lineup are premature and overly optimistic. Possibly misguided also. If the objective is to make the playoffs, then I don't want Curry in the starting lineup, a better alternative has to emerge. If the objective is to clear more cap space, then sure, start Eddy and hope he shows enough to get dealt somewhere. Notice that there are 19 players on the roster plus Mobley, and only one never gets mentioned. That one is Jeffries. Food for thought?
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Post by dk7th on Sept 26, 2009 11:33:20 GMT -5
ironman i like the way you are thinking about gallo vis a vis his moving into a power forward/center position in order to accommodate lebron james. but are you saying gallinari would play the low post with a back to the basket game like duncan or gasol as power forwards? or more like a high post center like ilgauskas and jerry lucas or the turkish player out in utah?
even if it is the latter, my only question is if he turns out to be that great of a player, a player who makes those around him better, you have a delicious problem on your hands. gallinari is going to be a great 3 point shooter so that's already a plus, but i wonder if, in a deeply ironic twist, that his passing skills, driving ability, and midrange shot will be squandered if indeed lebron james is going to be a knick.
because from what i have seen of him and heard about him, he could be the closest thing to larry bird the league has seen, well... since larry bird. i don't want to get ahead of myself, but this kid could very well be better than dirk nowitzki, hedo turkoglu, toni kukoc, and lamar odom-- not to mention a better leader.
if gallinari is as good as i think he is, and we have lebron here, the knicks will be contenders for the next ten years-- title contenders.
mind-blowing and overdue and the garden will be rocking every night.
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Post by kgooglog on Sept 26, 2009 18:50:33 GMT -5
Boy, just what I needed to hear today. Eddy has already strained his hammy. Obviously, his private "conditioning" program has paid off. To the tune of $11,200,000 to sit on the bench this year as well. Here I was thinking that Curry would be Dwight Howard shape, and he strained his fat ass, already.
I am still waiting for phoographic evidence of Mr. Curry's 40 pound weight loss. Thank heavens, Walsh traded for Darko Milicic, drafted a big man who may be able to play the pivo in Jordan Hill, and maybe Gallo sees some valuable time as a high post center-type.
If D'Antoni starts Jared Jeffries at center this year, that would be food for his termination as HC, IMHO. Jeffries and Curry, to a lessor degree, must both become non-Knicks as soon as Minnesota's David Kahn comes to MSG.
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Post by irish2u2 on Sept 26, 2009 23:32:43 GMT -5
If we want to get rid of our numbers problem maybe we should feed Jefferies to Curry. Wouldn't that be a salary cap deduction? ; )
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Post by kgooglog on Sept 27, 2009 13:11:14 GMT -5
If we want to get rid of our numbers problem maybe we should feed Jefferies to Curry. Wouldn't that be a salary cap deduction? ; ) Hmm...Jeffries is a bit too lean for Eddy's feast, though. One thing about Jared is that he is skinny, although his salary isn't. I read the extremely positive article Gates posted about Donnie Walsh's and Mike D'Antoni's outlook on this season's squad. Walsh doesn't seem overly positive about Eddy Curry's current conditioning, but mentioned that the kid did lose 41 or so pounds, although no photos have yet to appear to prove this. To hear Mike say that Gallo has the best shot he has ever seen, is truly a positive and the fact that the Knicks could possibly start a line-up of players who are all 6'8 and taller is simply mind-blowing. This article mentioned having Gallo as a "point-forward", which I suppose would allow Mike to play Wilson at the 2, Al Harrington at the 3, David Lee at the 4, and Curry at the 5. That is a huge line-up. Mike didn't seem to say many positives about the rookies, only that Tony Douglas has been "coming along". Interestingly, D'Antoni seems to like Sun, our new 6'9 PG, and brought him up in the article. No in-season trades are expected (Yeah, right--we only did 4 of them last year) and I imagine that the expectations for Gallo as well as Darko Milicic are pretty high. Lest we forget, Wilson Chandler's bar has already been set to an all-star level by the organization. My own view is that if Curry can get over this latest silliness of his hamburger-strain, if Walsh can somehow swing a deal for Rafer Alston even up for Chris Duhon, if Jeffries is traded for an expiring deal, and if the rookies step it up, this Knicks team may be one of the more pleasant teams in recent history. I wish we had a first round pick next year. Out of all the years to have to surrender a first rounder, it had to be this year... |
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Post by dk7th on Sept 27, 2009 13:59:28 GMT -5
If we want to get rid of our numbers problem maybe we should feed Jefferies to Curry. Wouldn't that be a salary cap deduction? ; ) Hmm...Jeffries is a bit too lean for Eddy's feast, though. One thing about Jared is that he is skinny, although his salary isn't. I read the extremely positive article Gates posted about Donnie Walsh's and Mike D'Antoni's outlook on this season's squad. Walsh doesn't seem overly positive about Eddy Curry's current conditioning, but mentioned that the kid did lose 41 or so pounds, although no photos have yet to appear to prove this. To hear Mike say that Gallo has the best shot he has ever seen, is truly a positive and the fact that the Knicks could possibly start a line-up of players who are all 6'8 and taller is simply mind-blowing. This article mentioned having Gallo as a "point-forward", which I suppose would allow Mike to play Wilson at the 2, Al Harrington at the 3, David Lee at the 4, and Curry at the 5. That is a huge line-up. Mike didn't seem to say many positives about the rookies, only that Tony Douglas has been "coming along". Interestingly, D'Antoni seems to like Sun, our new 6'9 PG, and brought him up in the article. No in-season trades are expected (Yeah, right--we only did 4 of them last year) and I imagine that the expectations for Gallo as well as Darko Milicic are pretty high. Lest we forget, Wilson Chandler's bar has already been set to an all-star level by the organization. My own view is that if Curry can get over this latest silliness of his hamburger-strain, if Walsh can somehow swing a deal for Rafer Alston even up for Chris Duhon, if Jeffries is traded for an expiring deal, and if the rookies step it up, this Knicks team may be one of the more pleasant teams in recent history. I wish we had a first round pick next year. Out of all the years to have to surrender a first rounder, it had to be this year... ken-- regarding chris duhon-- this is yet another player we disagree on, ha ha. first of all, duhon is every inch the orchestrator d'antoni needs, whereas alston for all his superior athleticsm is unproven as an orchestrator. secondly, until duhon hit the wall at around 50 games-- from logging too many minutes-- the knicks were on course for winning 38 games. until then the pick and roll game with lee was effective, his shot was falling. he is a pretty good shooter when he has his legs. now what was the reason he was logging too many minutes? well for one thing the price for dumping randolph on the clips was throwing in collins. is collins any good? debatable, but he would have been able to spell duhon for 15 minutes a night, keeping duhon fresh. he could have played good enough defense to keep a game close if they were behind and it would have been a bonus to get some decent offense out of him. for another thing, duhon logged too many minutes because d'antoni could not trust nate robinson to run the offense as a point guard. if he could have trusted robinson, he would have. but he didn't. now collins's erstwhile role on this team has been taken by toney douglas, with perhaps one other point guard from the remaining three among pruitt and the other two. the purpose remains the same: give duhon enough rest each game so that he s fresh enough for all 82 games. there is absolutely no need to swap duhon for alston. |
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Post by greatgates on Sept 27, 2009 13:59:57 GMT -5
In Newsday this AM, Walsh is not impressed or optimistic with Curry, who has scrimmaged a few times, and has developed a hamstring injury already. Nate signed for 4mil and Lee 7mil with each having a 1mil bonus for making the playoffs. Darko is due in from Serbia today. Training camp starts Monday in Saratoga. I think the projections of Eddy Curry in the starting lineup are premature and overly optimistic. Possibly misguided also. If the objective is to make the playoffs, then I don't want Curry in the starting lineup, a better alternative has to emerge. If the objective is to clear more cap space, then sure, start Eddy and hope he shows enough to get dealt somewhere. Notice that there are 19 players on the roster plus Mobley, and only one never gets mentioned. That one is Jeffries. Food for thought? |
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Post by ironman95 on Sept 27, 2009 14:07:52 GMT -5
DK, I see Gallinari as a high post center, facing the basket, I don't think he has developed a back to the basket game, not his thing. I think he can work the pick and roll however, after Lee. I think if we need a back to the basket center, only Darko qualifies. Curry does not have a jump shot let alone a turn-around one. Curry's game is based on one quick move, sliding to the basket, hoping his slide-step doesn't cause a charging foul. If only he had a jump shot, he would be a dangerous man, slow but dangerous. Supposedly Harrington is in super-shape, and I really haven't factored him in to the picture. I think he is a liability at PF, but a threat at SF if he is willing to slash to the basket. My critcism of him last year, besides the hanging incidents, is that he doesn't get to the foul line enough. His game dictates that he must play a game, that gets him to the foul line. If he is indeed stronger, then that should happen more than last year. Some project him as a starter over Lee, but I don't like that. Over Gallinari at SF maybe. If we want to play 7 second basketball we need Lee, for his rebounding and outstanding ability to run the floor, excellent outlet passing and always putting himself in a good position. Harrington doesn't do those things.
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Post by kgooglog on Sept 28, 2009 16:03:07 GMT -5
Chris Duhon's "breakdown" had more to do with drinking 40 ouncers at 3 AM with some beautiful girls than loggin too many minutes. This guy is a party animal and he even apologized to the Knicks for not being in shape to play an entire season. Chris is a nice guy and all, but let's not give him a pass because he played 48 or so games well.
Any NBA player needs to be able to play 48 minutes a game if needed. David Lee did, Stephon Marbury, for all that happened, did it, Latrell Sprewell did it, Allan Houston did it, and Patrik Ewing did it. Duhion did not, and for that alone, he needs to just say no to beer and babes.
Of course, I would be more than happy to hang with Duhon's lady friends, if he would just call me up, LOL!
I'm not saying Duhon is a bad player at all. I just see Rafer Alston as a superior player in almost every aspect of the game. That said, i expect that Chris has learned his lesson and will be in tip-top shape this year. After all, he is fighting for his next contract, as is Harrington, as are many of the Knicks on this team. I think every Knick, including Eddy Curry, will be in shape once this season starts.
Well, with Curry, let me say he will be a huge presence on the court, rather than an in-shape presence on the court ; )
Does anyone really believe that Eddy ever weighed 285 pounds as he was listed coming at of the drafts and throughout his Chicago years? At 315, Curry will be okay, weight-wise. He is 6 '11 and if Shaq was an inch taller and weighed 380 most of his career, Edward should be in playable shape...
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Post by ironman95 on Sept 28, 2009 20:50:05 GMT -5
To further clarify, DK, I see Gallinari when playing center setting up outside, while Duhon and Lee run pick and roll, and if that isn't there then Duhon and Gallinari running the same play. Difference is that Lee stays closer to the foul line whereas Gallinari sets up for a baseline 3. That leaves the SG outside, for a three and Gallinari for a baseline 3 with either Darko or Hill underneath with Lee. Draw the opponents center out, or create a mismatch, one of the two has to happen, that is why Lee goes pick and roll first. I think you are right on Alston vs Duhon. He might be a tad better, but Duhon showed he could lead a team, and shoot reasonably well, when he had legs, and we all know that when the legs go, the shot goes too. I think the Mobley contract with 80% rebate, has to be used wisely, say to get rid of Jeffries or Curry in a package for a cash strapped team, not to the Nets for Alston, unless they want Jeffries too.
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