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Post by kgooglog on Sept 29, 2009 10:52:09 GMT -5
I am with you, Iron, on Gallo being a high post center, which draws the opposing pivot out, which may even benefit Curry since every NBA player must guard Gallo's deadly outside shot. I truly believe Gallinari will be used in a "Point Center/Point Forward" capacity in the massive line-up that D'Antoni can use; Curry, Lee, Gallo, Chandler, and Harrington. This line-up can be used as Gallo apparently has the ball handling ability to even assist Chandler in bringing the pigskin up front. Harrington also is an excellent ball-handler, although he rarely passes. This is the line-up I believe Coach D'Antoni was referring to, when he said he could put out a line-up of players who are all 6'8 or taller...
Mobley's contract is pure ambrosia, but I agree with you. It must be attached to either Jeffries or Curry. Donnie Walsh is savvy and smart, and even if we can get a high first round pick next year for Cuttino's contract and Jeffries, that would be pure Nirvana.
I wouldn't waste the Mobley contract on Rafer Alston, who would be a FA at the end of the season, anyway, like Chris Duhon. I want something tangible back, be it cap-space of a really high first round pick this year. I think that Walsh needs to target the Sacramento Kings, who are in really bad fiscal shape, and a team that will absolutely suck this year. I want a LOTTERY PICK AND AN EXPIRING KENNY THOMAS DEAL FOR JEFFRIES/MOBLEY DEAL. I'll take back anyone whose deal expires this year from the Kings...
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Post by daglazer on Sept 30, 2009 10:50:41 GMT -5
Duhon ran out of gas because he had never played that many minutes in his career. He did not expect to play 38-40 minutes a game going in because he thought that he was going to share the PG spot with Marbury. Let's see how Duhon handles the minutes this year. He is a solid player and fits the system well.
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Post by greatgates on Sept 30, 2009 15:58:48 GMT -5
Duhon ran out of gas because he had never played that many minutes in his career. He did not expect to play 38-40 minutes a game going in because he thought that he was going to share the PG spot with Marbury. Let's see how Duhon handles the minutes this year. He is a solid player and fits the system well. I agree DA. Duhon was alot better than I thought he would be. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Oct 1, 2009 18:30:38 GMT -5
Personally I like Duhon too. He isn't a superstar PG but he knows his role and stays within it. As for the partying it never seemed to hurt Derek Jeter or Clyde, did it? ; )
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Post by greatgates on Oct 2, 2009 0:42:30 GMT -5
Personally I like Duhon too. He isn't a superstar PG but he knows his role and stays within it. As for the partying it never seemed to hurt Derek Jeter or Clyde, did it? ; )  |
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 2, 2009 18:59:16 GMT -5
I like Duhon too, and he surprised me by playing above my expectations. However, he is what he is and that is an adequate plus point guard, who is a starter on a poor to medium good team, who won't hurt the team much, but can't be counted on to hit that clutch shot in the 4th quarter. He may be able to dish, but he is not able to swish(sort of quoting Clyde). I like him, but I hope that D'Antoni rethinks 35 minutes per game, and Douglas or possibly Yue is good enough to cut that down to 30 minutes. He ran the team well, persevered through the major personnel changes without blinking too much, and then hit the wall from overuse. He will have more options this year, with Gallinari on the perimeter or on the baseline, and Lee hopefully back at PF, and having more familiarity with Harrington. Having Chandler playing at SG may help too. I will be interested to see who he can work with besides Lee, with whom he worked it pretty well. I think we may also get to witness a microwave offense off the bench with Nate, Douglas and Harrington. They are saying a lot of good things about Douglas so far, and he was ACC defensive player of the year. They're also saying that Gallinari has an uncanny way of keeping himself between his man and the basket 24/7. Now if they start talking positive about Darko, I may actually get excited. I think that this preseason, the Knicks need to emphasize winning a little more than normal. They need to take down the Rims. Don't care how they do it, but they need to take care of business.
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 2, 2009 19:11:11 GMT -5
As for a lottery pick, or even a first round pick, I want one too, Ken. I want Jerome Jordan real bad for the Knicks. I think he will turn into a beast this year, and be everything Thabeet is not. Most of last year he was triple teamed, with the defenders putting two big men on him and then dropping the stong-side guard down on him as soon as the ball went in to him. The two-man wall prevented the sweet baseline move he has, and the guard dropping down prevented him from raising the ball up for the effective jump hook. The coach (Wojcik) with limited talent, and no real good point guard should have overloaded the strong side with four players, but didn't. Point 3/4 down passing it in, other guard at the perimeter 1/2 way down, and a forward near the foul line slightly to the strong side. Jordan had trouble seeing which player was open on the weak side, but with 4 on the strong side, he would have been able to pass it out to the forward at the top of the key, or back to the point guard, to whip it around to the open weak side player. That is the strategy I would have used. Jordan is only 7 feet, maybe 7'1" tall, but his wingspan is 7'3" same as Thabeet, and he has much more awareness and offensive talent, raw though it is. Also available next year, besides John Wall, will be Cole Aldrich, another PF/C who has talent. The Knicks need to get one of those guys. Isiah screwed us. It's a good thing that the NBA rules dictate that a team can only trade every other 1st round draft choice away, and cannot not have a draft choice two years in a row, or I suspect we would have no draft choices until 2020.
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Post by dk7th on Oct 3, 2009 8:10:18 GMT -5
As for a lottery pick, or even a first round pick, I want one too, Ken. I want Jerome Jordan real bad for the Knicks. I think he will turn into a beast this year, and be everything Thabeet is not. Most of last year he was triple teamed, with the defenders putting two big men on him and then dropping the stong-side guard down on him as soon as the ball went in to him. The two-man wall prevented the sweet baseline move he has, and the guard dropping down prevented him from raising the ball up for the effective jump hook. The coach (Wojcik) with limited talent, and no real good point guard should have overloaded the strong side with four players, but didn't. Point 3/4 down passing it in, other guard at the perimeter 1/2 way down, and a forward near the foul line slightly to the strong side. Jordan had trouble seeing which player was open on the weak side, but with 4 on the strong side, he would have been able to pass it out to the forward at the top of the key, or back to the point guard, to whip it around to the open weak side player. That is the strategy I would have used. Jordan is only 7 feet, maybe 7'1" tall, but his wingspan is 7'3" same as Thabeet, and he has much more awareness and offensive talent, raw though it is. Also available next year, besides John Wall, will be Cole Aldrich, another PF/C who has talent. The Knicks need to get one of those guys. Isiah screwed us. It's a good thing that the NBA rules dictate that a team can only trade every other 1st round draft choice away, and cannot not have a draft choice two years in a row, or I suspect we would have no draft choices until 2020. ironman correct me if i'm wrong but if the knicks don't make the playoffs then the jazz will get the pick from the trade for marbury. so the knicks will surely be motivated to get into the playoffs for that reason and to be more attractive to lebron james. so my question for you is, is jerome jordan going to fly under the radar and not become a top ten draft pick? that seems to be the point-- that he is great but nobody will deem him a top ten player. my problem is, 'iron'ically, that you have such a good eye for talent and winning players that surely there are scouts out there who will recognize what you do and that will be that. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Oct 3, 2009 9:20:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Darko Milicic will render the Jerome Jordan question moot but the PG situations will still exist.
I agree with the consensus that Duhon is a good, slightly better than adequate, NBA PG. He is not going to win games for you with his shooting or offense but then again if we do get LeBron James the whole idea of a traditional PG is up for discussion. Anybody here think Delonte West is a great PG? LeBron is a great ballhandler and passer. He makes the traditional PG roles redundant. Couple that with good ballhandling/passing bigs like Gallinari, Lee and even Darko and maybe the Knicks don't need a John Wall type PG.
Delonte West is a superb defender. That is his main role on the Cavs. The Cavs don't need a guy to create offense for them or LeBron because LBJ does that all himself. Instead of a traditional PG a guy like Stephen Curry works with LeBron just like Steve Kerr used to work as a PG with Jordan and Pippen. LeBron allows a team the luxury of adding an extra defender or shooter to their starting lineup.
All that said I still think Ricky Rubio is in the mix. Rubio and his family were adamant that they did not want to play in Minnesota and the fact that Minnesota took another PG in the draft and then went and signed one as a free agent tells me Rubio is on the table for the right offer. The Knicks have to make the right offer.
BTW, I am not worried about this year's draft so much. I think the Knicks will do well enough that their pick won't be an impact player for us or Utah. I think we have enough personnel questions without adding another one through the draft. I love the draft but I don't see the Knicks with a lottery or even top 15 pick this year.
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 3, 2009 14:01:17 GMT -5
Bill, there are some factors that work against Jerome Jordan. Playing for Tulsa, with only one other good team, Memphis in the conference, and now it is questionable whether Memphis will be as good without Calipari. He will be 23 years old when he gets drafted, he missed a year in high school. The talent around him is not all that great, hence triple-teaming him worked for those that tried it(Memphis and BYU I saw do it). He is still raw, but I think he will start using his athleticism more productively this year. He should be more mature enough to control his body better. When Memphis went to play at Tulsa, there were 30 scouts in the stands(one from each NBA team) the announcers said, and they were there to see Jordan, but what happened is Tyreke Evans, just having switched to point guard at that time, overshadowed him, even though the game was decided by a buzzer-beater. Evans was still a relative unknown at that time, but after that game, he was quite well known by all 30 NBA teams. I am not familiar with the exact terms of the Knicks draft that Utah now owns, but I believe that it has been delayed a year or two, and has to be used this year no matter what. I think with the economy the way it is, the Knicks could probably buy a draft pick, higher than 30, if they really feel the need to. I think even if Darko succeeds, we will still need a center. I agree that we also need to find a point guard, but we may have a "diamond in the rough" hiding on the roster, just maybe. I agree that Rubio is still very much in the picture. I disagree that Steve Kerr was a point guard, he was shooting specialist and MJ took over point guard duties when Kerr was in the game. I won't comment on Delonte West, because I haven't seen him play enough. I still like Azubuike as an SG, wing-type player. Perfect for the D'Antoni system. The scouts don't always get it right. I think they very much overvalued a lot of the so-called point guards like Stephon Curry, Flynn, and the guy who played in Italy for a year(forgot his name), and also greatly over-valued Thabeet. They undervalued Evans for sure. They probably got Harden and Hill about right. I still think that from last year, Michael Beasley is a better player, long run, than Derrick Rose. I think he will be a beast this year, if he can keep clean. I don't see Stephon Curry as a real point guard, and Monta' Ellis is right about the two of them playing together. I would not want Curry on the Knicks, but Evans or Rubio? Yes and Si?
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 3, 2009 14:09:42 GMT -5
The white team reportedly has been beating up on the blue team. The white team consists of Nate, Douglas, Landry, Hill and Darko. The blue team was Duhon, Chandler, Harrington, Lee and Jeffries. No Gallo. The blue team will be the starters tomorrow, but the coach says don't read anything into that.
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 3, 2009 14:15:11 GMT -5
I got that wrong, Hughes is starting, not Chandler.
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Post by irish2u2 on Oct 3, 2009 14:36:11 GMT -5
Iron
Kerr used to guard the other team's PG. He wasn't a PG per se but like Nate his physical/skill limitations put him there. ; ) With a guy like LeBron you can put a guy at PG and not have him be a traditional PG. Delonte West and Stephen Curry fill that definition.
We don't need Jerome Jordan if Darko works out. I am assuming we trade Eddy Curry but we still have Jordan Hill who is being groomed for a hybrid PF/C position plus David Lee. In fact if we get LeBron James all our needs are in the backcourt which is why I hope we can secure a guy who is a good shooter and/or defender to go alongside Chandler at SG. I would love to get Stephen Curry if the price wasn't so high. A guy like him fills that specialist role perfectly.
For my money I love Derrick Rose. Will he be better than Beasley? That may be an apples and oranges argument. Both being better than Thabeet seems like a moot point proving your point that the draft gurus don't always get it right. Or even close to right.
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Post by kgooglog on Oct 4, 2009 8:50:46 GMT -5
LeBron is the only reason why I do not think Duhon will be a bad piece for us. In fact, I like Chris way better than Mo Williams, who simply pulled a Starks on the Cavs in last season's play-offs. Duhon does have a good three-point shot and yes, he had a terrific first half of the year. I was disappointed in Chris' second half breakdown, only because he followed the Rod Strickland Conditioning Program, which included a babe on each arm and 4 to 5 hot dogs per night as well as a Molsons ale. This is fine when you are in semi-retirement, but Chris was the starting PG. I think he learned his lesson, unlike one 317 pound Plantarosuaras who still hangs onto his $11,000,000 contract as he misses the rest of training camp.
Why couldn't Curry have kept his training staff past 8/31/09? This was yet another sign of the guy's motivation. He loses 40 pounds with these trainers, and loses 1 pount in the 2 months since their contract with him expired. Then he sprains a muscle which human beings do not even have in their DNA and grows a tail.
BREAKING NEWS: According to Mark Berman's source, Eddy Curry, Knicks center of attention, has just laid an egg. Curry reportedly scrambled it and ordered 5 pounds of home fries for his first of five breakfasts. Mike D'Antoni defended the beleagured and maligned pivotman, saying that "Eddy just doesn't FIT into our locker-room or game plan." Donnie Walsh reportedly has ended the search for Knicks defensive specialist, Jared Jeffries, who was last seen with Curry and former Knicks Jerome James and Clarence Weatherspoon last week at an undisclosed parking lot, awaiting the grand opening of Trader Joe's. Walsh said that Curry, James, and Weatherspoon were reportedly having Jeffries "over for dinner".
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Post by irish2u2 on Oct 4, 2009 10:01:56 GMT -5
Vintage Ken. Vintage. ; )
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