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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jan 3, 2019 9:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 3, 2019 9:24:04 GMT -5
Bondy was banned from the last Garden press conference and his articles are just going to get worse and worse. While I think banning a reporter is completely wrong and is against all our principles of freedom of the press, Bondy’s subsequent articles show his lack of professionalism and an inability to be the better man.
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 9:35:29 GMT -5
Citing no sources other than KP himself stating that he wants to win sometime soon, you mean? Sheesh, Jason, you sound like a certain political figure who calls any unfavorable news article fake news. The article clearly states that KP wants to stay in New York and loves the Knicks, but he also wants to play for a winner, which he hopes is in New York. Oh my God! What a hatchet job of yellow journalism. The article outlines the POTENTIAL hiccups which MAY pop up in trying to sign KP and what KP's options and rights are as a player. Again, shocking that an journalist should mention the rights and options of a potential free agent. Clearly, there is a mass conspiracy afoot here to drive KP and other max players away. We could call for a complete shutdown of all New York papers immediately, if not sooner. The article also notes the Knicks options on a new deal and how not offering KP a full max contract makes financial sense for them. Again, this is very subversive stuff. Yes, the article notes that KP wants to win and, shockingly, KP may want to see the Knicks make more strides in this area. Yet, somehow, you view this rather tame and bland article as some master plan by the New York media to undermine the work of Mills, Perry and Fizdale. You see the New York media as more of a potential threat to the Knicks success than their own owner. Your worldview and mine are polar opposites.
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 9:39:17 GMT -5
Bondy was banned from the last Garden press conference and his articles are just going to get worse and worse. While I think banning a reporter is completely wrong and is against all our principles of freedom of the press, Bondy’s subsequent articles show his lack of professionalism and an inability to be the better man. Couldn't disagree more. The article is not the hatchet job you claim it to be. And it is Dolan who issues the bans, because, Heaven forbid, anyone say anything remotely critical of the Knicks. The man's skin is thinner than a certain political figure we both are critical of.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jan 3, 2019 10:10:22 GMT -5
Citing no sources other than KP himself stating that he wants to win sometime soon, you mean? Sheesh, Jason, you sound like a certain political figure who calls any unfavorable news article fake news. The article clearly states that KP wants to stay in New York and loves the Knicks, but he also wants to play for a winner, which he hopes is in New York. Oh my God! What a hatchet job of yellow journalism. The article outlines the POTENTIAL hiccups which MAY pop up in trying to sign KP and what KP's options and rights are as a player. Again, shocking that an journalist should mention the rights and options of a potential free agent. Clearly, there is a mass conspiracy afoot here to drive KP and other max players away. We could call for a complete shutdown of all New York papers immediately, if not sooner. The article also notes the Knicks options on a new deal and how not offering KP a full max contract makes financial sense for them. Again, this is very subversive stuff. Yes, the article notes that KP wants to win and, shockingly, KP may want to see the Knicks make more strides in this area. Yet, somehow, you view this rather tame and bland article as some master plan by the New York media to undermine the work of Mills, Perry and Fizdale. You see the New York media as more of a potential threat to the Knicks success than their own owner. Your worldview and mine are polar opposites. Do you like to debate just for the sake in this case or are you naive to Stefan Bondys writing style? I'll just concede and say you win. I dont want to debate and defend a pompous fool like this author of sleaze is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 10:32:05 GMT -5
It may be a sleazy article. It may not. But just yesterday, I was thinking: am I sure KP wants to stay? Admittedly I am probably over worrying and maybe that has become my nature. But I could see multiple reasons that he might not want to be here. Talk me down, please.
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 10:47:50 GMT -5
It may be a sleazy article. It may not. But just yesterday, I was thinking: am I sure KP wants to stay? Admittedly I am probably over worrying and maybe that has become my nature. But I could see multiple reasons that he might not want to be here. Talk me down, please. Reasons for KP to stay in New York: he is from a cosmopolitan city in Latvia and there are Latvians here in New York. Never underestimate the attraction of being around your own people. All things being equal, he would prefer to be in New York. He sees that Perry's and Fizdale's plan is working. Perry gets a max free agent to sign. The Knicks get the number one overall pick and get Zion. The money and the later few items are within the realm of possibility and would go a long way to swaying his opinion to stay. I think the odds of him staying are above 85%.
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Post by trendsetta on Jan 3, 2019 12:18:56 GMT -5
No question Stefan Bondy is one of the biggest douchebags in the writers' [cess]pool in NYC. I absolutely loathe him. However-- if I am KP and I have to endure watching Hardaway and Kanter I would throw up in my mouth. Do I really want to play with Hardaway even if he is a 4th option? He is a loser. So that's on Mills 100%. And Perry is stuck with the unenviable task of trying to get rid of Hardaway by the trade deadline. Tough situation all around.
Even then KP has to have the belief as well that Knox and Trier and Frank are going to become something in the next 3-5 years too. Cause you can't rely on the draft and a free agent. That's not practical, it's merely hopeful/gambling. And while I am certain he has a great fondness for Coach-- who wouldn't?-- a coach is only as good as the players assembled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 12:40:53 GMT -5
I like over 85%. That eases my mind a little. But is the following scenario possible. KP signs a deal with another team, say Brooklyn. Deal has a player option after one season and a no trade.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jan 3, 2019 13:05:48 GMT -5
Let's parse the article a wee bit knowing beforehand two inescapable facts.
1) Stefan Bondy IS a true sleaze ball.
2) Nic wants to play lead in the next Broadway Production of "Man of La Mancha".
So lets look at the facts. Inside sources, you know how reliable they can be, have stated Porzingis is "skeptical" of the path taken by the Knicks. So who are those inside sources willing to talk to Bondy and risk the wrath of Dolan? Some blogger perhaps? Certainly nobody "inside" the organization. And what exactly would KP6 be skeptical of? The losses? He's a pretty smart lad and if I can see what the Knicks are doing he can too. Bondy speaks of the losing and lack of talent and I say in my best Lee Corso imitation "Not so fast my friend!" Knox, Trier, Robinson and Vonleh are all very talented players. And young. Plus the Knicks are playing themselves into a very interesting draft lottery situation. Who could be upset about that? Porzingis likes the coach and Porzingis also agreed to wait till summer for his contract extension. Does that sound like somebody who hasn't bought in to the program?
The whole premise of the article is that KP6 wants money and he may want out. I think quoting a 13 year old Porzingis might be a little disingenuous and self-serving but that's me. I'm always skeptical of the media. In this case Bondy is correct that Porzingis could force himself out of New York if he wished it so. Why would he wish it so? Bondy doesn't look at some obvious facts namely how young the Knicks team is and how they are "rebuilding" which in itself is a painful process that seems to be most painful now with the draft 6 months away and so much losing ahead. I KNOW the plan and yet the losing bothers me some. Which is why I keep Duke basketball video highlights nearby to brighten my day. I may need some Ja Morant highlights to add to my Draft Day Mix.
Without a scintilla of truth Bondy has constructed an article GUARANTEED to get hits on the Internet and sell off the news stands by playing into Knicks fans biggest fears. Namely karma. Knicks fans don' think the glass is half empty. They think it broke and they stepped on the shards. Sleazy? Oh yeah! And it is so fitting that our own Don Quixote charges in to defend his latest castle and attack his next windmill. Why can't I get the 1981 Talking Heads hit "Once In A Lifetime" out of my head? Same as it ever was....
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 13:23:16 GMT -5
Did you actually read the article? What did Bondy say that was so outrageous? Young Knicks star wants to get paid and to win!
Truly scandalous material.
Signing KP not a foregone conclusion! Clearly, this was written with an agenda. Perhaps even by Vladimir Putin himself.
Bondy may have written hatchet jobs before, but this isn't one of them.
But I will put a memo in the suggestion boxes of the New York Post and the New York Daily News to have this board review all future Knicks articles.
If I am playing the lead in Man of the Man of the Mancha, then you two are up for parts on the lifeboat in Ship of Fools.
How a New York sports writer can influence professional athletes playing for a New York team is based on what exactly? That is fear mongering on a Trumpian level. Please cite me any time when any player who has cited that a New York sports writer was the reason for them leaving or not signing in New York.
I'll wait!
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 13:28:29 GMT -5
According to Jason and Bill the following people are douchebags and never to be trusted: Isola, Berman, Marv Albert, Bondy because, according to them, they have an anti-Knick agenda and NOTHING they say has any merit.
Also, Dolan, the fellow most responsible for the lack of success of this organization has learned his lesson and everything he does now is so much better.
How about taking things on a case by case basis? Oh no, that would be the adult thing to do.
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Post by babylon5 on Jan 3, 2019 13:36:49 GMT -5
Citing no sources other than KP himself stating that he wants to win sometime soon, you mean? Sheesh, Jason, you sound like a certain political figure who calls any unfavorable news article fake news. The article clearly states that KP wants to stay in New York and loves the Knicks, but he also wants to play for a winner, which he hopes is in New York. Oh my God! What a hatchet job of yellow journalism. The article outlines the POTENTIAL hiccups which MAY pop up in trying to sign KP and what KP's options and rights are as a player. Again, shocking that an journalist should mention the rights and options of a potential free agent. Clearly, there is a mass conspiracy afoot here to drive KP and other max players away. We could call for a complete shutdown of all New York papers immediately, if not sooner. The article also notes the Knicks options on a new deal and how not offering KP a full max contract makes financial sense for them. Again, this is very subversive stuff. Yes, the article notes that KP wants to win and, shockingly, KP may want to see the Knicks make more strides in this area. Yet, somehow, you view this rather tame and bland article as some master plan by the New York media to undermine the work of Mills, Perry and Fizdale. You see the New York media as more of a potential threat to the Knicks success than their own owner. Your worldview and mine are polar opposites. Do you like to debate just for the sake in this case or are you naive to Stefan Bondys writing style? I'll just concede and say you win. I dont want to debate and defend a pompous fool like this author of sleaze is. Jason, I am not saying that Bondy hasn't written hatchet articles before, but this isn't one of them. Your counter point to my point is to dismiss everything Bondy writes. All I read was: KP wants to get paid and to win and it is not a foregone conclusion that he signs with the Knicks as he will have options as a free agent. How you went to Defcon 1 on this article is, IMO, based more on your overall opinion of Bondy then what he actually wrote in the article.
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Post by trendsetta on Jan 3, 2019 13:43:10 GMT -5
Did you actually read the article? What did Bondy say that was so outrageous? Young Knicks star wants to get paid and to win! Truly scandalous material. Signing KP not a foregone conclusion! Clearly, this was written with an agenda. Perhaps even by Vladimir Putin himself. Bondy may have written hatchet jobs before, but this isn't one of them. But I will put a memo in the suggestion boxes of the New York Post and the New York Daily News to have this board review all future Knicks articles. Bondy's alleged agenda aside, there remain way too many IFS for KP6 *not* to take a skeptical, wait-and-see approach. It's a very complex, knotty, scenario. And as the article has stated, in this day and age nothing really precludes KP6 from getting out of Dodge if he doesn't like how things are going. And you have to wonder what KP and his entourage think of the owner too. I agree with you that there's always that looming.... In reality, KP6 owes the Knicks nothing. And on the other hand, the Knicks have no idea of how well KP6 will bounce back from this injury. Things may line up perfectly for Dolan to step in and ruin things.
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Post by axios on Jan 3, 2019 13:43:34 GMT -5
If KP wants out- what would you like to get for him? Do you make a play for AD if he wants out?
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