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Post by irish2u2 on Dec 24, 2009 14:56:28 GMT -5
Poor Portland. There is snakebit and then there is falling into a rattler's den.
First they lose Channing Frye to free agency. Greg Oden goes down and so too does Joel Pryzbilla. Portland is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to big men after LaMarcus Aldridge. After Aldridge they have Juwan Howard, Jeff Pendergraph and Anthony Tolliver. One is over the hill and the other two haven't even made it to the hill yet.
NY has a surplus of big men but Portland doesn't have a surplus of matching, expiring contracts. Hopefully Portland succeeds in getting a trade exception so they can possibly match up Travis Outlaw and his expiring contract to NY for Eddy Curry or even Jared Jefferies.
I read somewhere that NY is going to try and get down 48 million so they can go after LeBron, Bosh AND Joe Johnson. I also hear they can't trade Curry and Jefferies if they don't include Gallinari and Jordan Hill.
Thoughts?
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Post by ironman95 on Dec 24, 2009 15:35:41 GMT -5
First the math! Proposed salary cap for 2010, according to Donnie, optimistically will be 54mil. Current proposed Knicks payroll with Curry and Jeffries, but without Lee(or Nate, Duhon, Hughes and Harrington) is 27.3mil, leaving 26.7mil for free agents right now. Curry will make 11.3mil next year and Jeffries 6.9mil(figures rounded slightly). Portland has 4 expiriing contracts. Darius Miles(yes that Darius Miles is still on the books) for 9mil, Travis Outlaw @ 4mil, Steve Blake @ 4.9mil and Brandon Roy @ 3.9mil. Curry and Mobley are worth around 20mil, Nate another 4mil making 24mil. Trade them(or their contracts) for Darius Miles' contract, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw, is a total of 17.9mil. Might have to keep either Mobley or Nate out to make it work under NBA rules. I don't think Jeffries solves their problems. Jeffries and Nate for Miles and Outlaw might work. I'd rather have Blake or Roy, but don't think the Blazers will go for that. If we get rid of Curry you can add his 11.3 to the 26.7 and have 38mil to work with. I don't see where 48mil comes from. With that the Knicks can resign Lee, and sign two free agents. Lee gets 10mil, LeBron gets 16mil and Johnson gets 12mil. Is that reasonable? Still need a point guard and center, but with LeBron and Johnson on board, Chandler becomes expendable, and can be traded for a point guard. There are other Jonathan Benders out there, like Robert Swift and Raef LaFrentz, if they get desperate enough. I think Donnie should drive a hard bargain when dealing with the Blazers right now. Not sure what that is, but as you said they are between a rock and hard place(to paraphrase). My power came back on yesterday, so I am getting back to normal. Whatever that may be.
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Post by mercury on Dec 24, 2009 15:49:12 GMT -5
I dont think Portland can trade the contract of Darius Miles since they already bought him out.
I would include Jordan Hill in a trade to get rid of Curry and Jefferies. However, I would want the deal to include both Curry and Jefferies.
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Post by irish2u2 on Dec 24, 2009 18:23:07 GMT -5
I dont think Portland can trade the contract of Darius Miles since they already bought him out. I would include Jordan Hill in a trade to get rid of Curry and Jefferies. However, I would want the deal to include both Curry and Jefferies. I think you are right about Miles contract leaving only Blake and outlaw as expiring deals. The one light in all this mess is the trade exception Portland MIGHT get. If it means trading Jordan Hill fine but only Hill and only with Curry. Gallinari is off limits. I doubt anybody would want/need Curry, Jefferies and Hill all in one swoop. There is also the potential factor that Jared's excellent all-around play of late elevates his worth on the trade market. His contract is not that bad and only extends to next year and frankly he is showing some impressive ability of late. He went from a "no way trade" to an asset. If only Curry could do the same. Of course the numbers needed to get to the point where we can actually sign James, Bosh and Johnson mean no David Lee. If Walsh's plan is to cut payroll to sign 3 primetime free agents he needs to roll the dice. He needs to trade David Lee. That won't be easy as I believe a trade needs David's approval so it would have to be a team he wants and it would have to be for an expiring contracts and a lottery top draft pick. Maybe the Bulls will trade the expiring contract of Brad Miller and Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry and David Lee.  |
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Post by jbaer10314 on Dec 24, 2009 20:27:57 GMT -5
I'm just curious--why are we so quick to get rid of Jeffries when he's suddenly playing his best as a Knick?
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Post by ironman95 on Dec 24, 2009 21:17:07 GMT -5
If you go to Hoops Hype, Darius Miles contract is at the top of the list on Portland's roster, just like Mobley's contract is on the Knicks roster. We can trade Mobley's contract if we want to. So why can't Portland trade Miles' contract? As well as Blake and Outlaw, Brandon Roy has an expiring contract. Again according to Hoops Hype.
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Post by irish2u2 on Dec 24, 2009 21:50:29 GMT -5
If you go to Hoops Hype, Darius Miles contract is at the top of the list on Portland's roster, just like Mobley's contract is on the Knicks roster. We can trade Mobley's contract if we want to. So why can't Portland trade Miles' contract? As well as Blake and Outlaw, Brandon Roy has an expiring contract. Again according to Hoops Hype. We carried Marbury's salary too after the buy out (which is what Miles got from Portland) yet we could not trade the contract because we didn't have any rights to the player. What we did have was the financial responsibility and the hit on our cap. And yes, you are right. It doesn't seem fair. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Dec 24, 2009 21:54:33 GMT -5
I'm just curious--why are we so quick to get rid of Jeffries when he's suddenly playing his best as a Knick? Because we will owe Jefferies almost 7 million dollars next season and if we can trade him we can use that money towards a star player. Jared is playing well but he is way past expendable especially if his contract is the difference in getting LeBron James and Chris Bosh (I am still skeptical we can get Joe Johnson too  . There is interest in him now because he has played well and he is extremely versatile. Trade him. Now. While we still can because with Jared that could change in a couple of weeks. |
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Post by jbaer10314 on Dec 24, 2009 23:05:56 GMT -5
Let me try this again.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Jeffries when he's suddenly playing his best as a Knick?
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Post by jbaer10314 on Dec 24, 2009 23:08:16 GMT -5
<<<<I'm just curious--why are we so quick to get rid of Jeffries when he's suddenly playing his best as a Knick? >>
Because we will owe Jefferies almost 7 million dollars next season and if we can trade him we can use that money towards a star player. Jared is playing well but he is way past expendable especially if his contract is the difference in getting LeBron James and Chris Bosh (I am still skeptical we can get Joe Johnson too .
There is interest in him now because he has played well and he is extremely versatile. Trade him. Now. While we still can because with Jared that could change in a couple of weeks. >>
Thanks, Bill. And everyone can skip that second posting of the same question.
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Post by greatgates on Dec 24, 2009 23:57:45 GMT -5
I dont think Portland can trade the contract of Darius Miles since they already bought him out. I would include Jordan Hill in a trade to get rid of Curry and Jefferies. However, I would want the deal to include both Curry and Jefferies. I think you are right about Miles contract leaving only Blake and outlaw as expiring deals. The one light in all this mess is the trade exception Portland MIGHT get. If it means trading Jordan Hill fine but only Hill and only with Curry. Gallinari is off limits. I doubt anybody would want/need Curry, Jefferies and Hill all in one swoop. There is also the potential factor that Jared's excellent all-around play of late elevates his worth on the trade market. His contract is not that bad and only extends to next year and frankly he is showing some impressive ability of late. He went from a "no way trade" to an asset. If only Curry could do the same. Of course the numbers needed to get to the point where we can actually sign James, Bosh and Johnson mean no David Lee. If Walsh's plan is to cut payroll to sign 3 primetime free agents he needs to roll the dice. He needs to trade David Lee. That won't be easy as I believe a trade needs David's approval so it would have to be a team he wants and it would have to be for an expiring contracts and a lottery top draft pick. Maybe the Bulls will trade the expiring contract of Brad Miller and Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry and David Lee. |
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Post by ironman95 on Dec 25, 2009 11:46:55 GMT -5
That would be good GG, and then it opens up minutes for Bender and Curry, and if Curry shows something, anything, maybe we can trade him too! Now we've got enough $ for 2 or 3 Free Agents and re-sign Lee.
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Post by ironman95 on Dec 25, 2009 11:55:49 GMT -5
If we are acquiring LeBron and Joe Johnson, it would make more sense to trade Chandler than Jordan Hill. They mostly play his position, and we can keep Hill longer and cheaper. Of course that is a big IF! If we are acquiring Bosh then Hill is more expendable. I would try and wait to see who we can sign as a free agent before sending either one away. Bosh would make Lee expendable, but I suspect if Lee and Bosh were both on the team, Bosh would be the center.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Dec 27, 2009 0:04:52 GMT -5
I think what I would do is buyout Curry and Jeffries if I can't trade them without costing me that way we save 7.5 Million then we could keep Lee with Lebron and Johnson and if Lebron wants to take less we get Wade instead of Johnson.
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Post by whensly on Dec 27, 2009 1:08:08 GMT -5
buying out Jeffries and Curry makes Zero sense Rene.
First off Jeffries is playing well and has trade value. Buying him or Curry
out does not take money off our cap until their contracts run out and that is the idea,
to trade away the long term expensive contracts to open up cap space.
I believe we will trade Jeffries and Curry gets some of those minutes he now
wants so desperately then he may show his worth and be moved as well.
Buyouts do not help since both of those players can help us and are not guys
you need to banish (like marbury was, and even that was questionable)
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