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Post by jbaer10314 on Sept 5, 2009 8:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by pearl on Sept 5, 2009 11:06:56 GMT -5
I believe this article speaks to Walsh's steadfast desire and plan to keep on track and make 2010 the make or break year for the Knick franchise. I think 2010 will impact one way or the other, the Knicks for the next 10 years.
Walsh doesn't panic, sticks to his plan and I believe Lebron and Bosh will both be in New York in 2010. Combine these two superstars with Gallo, Hill and Chandler and we will have a real nice future.
I am one who is not enamored with Rubio, I would not give up Lee for him. He still has a lot to prove, before I get excited about him coming into the NBA. Not saying Rubio is not talented or good, only that how much of a difference-maker or upgrade will he be?
Pearl
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Post by will1682 on Sept 5, 2009 11:26:34 GMT -5
I completely agree with the article. I also think Dantoni is right about last year, how all the trades effected team stability. We did make a buzz during the first ten or so games before the Crawford and Randolph deals, which broke up the training camp/pre-season squad. But even so it was trades that needed to be done. Our hopes for a better season does depend squarely on the "hopeful" improvements of our current players. Gallinari will be front and center, but the expectations for Chandler should be just as high. Hopefully Jordan Hill can contend for ROTY honors, I said hopefully  And perhaps in Dantoni's system Darko Milicic can find his stride, six years later. Obviously the PG situation still needs to be addressed. Duhon overachieved when it came to expectations but we all saw the breakdown towards the end of the season. The man needs some "true" PG help. I havent forgot about Tony Douglas but is he ready to contribute right away? Hopefully so. I wish the Jared Jeffries fanclub would take their celeb back, maybe throw us the expiring contract of Mike James in return? |
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Post by irish2u2 on Sept 5, 2009 14:38:15 GMT -5
The plan is simple. Don't spend money but that to me is just the first part of the plan. The second phase, and just as important as the first, is to develop the young players. We saved money but unless Gallinari, Chandler, Hill, Douglas and Milicic show something we can have as much cap room as anybody and we still won't attract an elite free agent.
I happen to think we will be a better team. We will have Curry back plus Milicic at center, more depth and a healthy Gallinari. I'm excited by the prospects especially Lee playing at his native position, Harrington coming out of the gate as the leading scorer and all those guys from last year more experienced and ready from the gitgo to make the playoffs.
I like our chances.
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Post by kgooglog on Sept 6, 2009 7:44:08 GMT -5
One thing I learned is that Donnie Walsh operates with more control than any GM the Knicks have had in the past quarter century. He now has both David Lee and Nate Robinson for a combined salary package of $12,000,000 for one year. Oh, how Mark Bartlestein must rue the day he promised the world to David and now Lee is holed up in Purchase, working out with Robinson, waiting for their minimal one year deals to be inked. $7 Million for Lee and $5 Million for Robinson. At least, those are the figures the NY papers are discussing.
Walsh didn't compromise the present for the future, either. While Ramon Sessions was a nice topic of discussion, he may have actually been the key to this kid, Rubio, who Donnie will now be chasing like a fox chases a jack-rabbit. Walsh also doesn't hide his moves in mystery like his ancesters, either. The man says he will be going after Ruby and will. Insofar as our current PG situation is concerned, Nate may not be the playmaker Sessions is, but he is a better player for this Knicks team. Chris Duhon, Toney Douglas, and Nate Robinson will be better than Chris Duhon and Douglas. Rubio will be a Knick within 2 years. Or less.
I don't feel bad for any of our two restricted FAs. They are good players for the prices they will cost for one year deals. The Knicks are a better team with Darko, a possible gem in Jordan Hill, a healthy Gallo, and an improved Wilson Chandler. And, lest we forget, a hopefully svelte Eddy Curry, who will play his two asses off for the millions he is stealing from Dolan and the fans. Of course, trading the contract of Jared Jeffries, would make this offseason one of the most successful ones in recent memory.
I agree with all of you who feel positive about the way the team is being shaped. If we can get to the mid-40s in wins, I consider that an incredible improvement, one which would be enough to secure LeBron James and possibly another superstar. Walsh will make sure of it. Even if Dolan has to eat some of Curry's contract in a buy-out or all of Jared's monies.
You Gotta Love This Game.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Sept 6, 2009 11:34:14 GMT -5
Kenny your right on,Donnie has played this like a Beethoven plays his music ,like a master.This guy has had the patience that hasn't been done in NY in decades.He got lucky when Kidd refused us but he made the offers from strength.I think he thinks he can move JJ and Curry or buy them out as a last resort too.We are sitting pretty with alot of real good young talent and a great GM and coach,when can you say that as a Knick fan.What I like about Donnie is he was trying to get stars in Hill and Kidd not a Sessions but stars,Stars are chips you can allways move too,I like the players he drafted and traded for too,Hill,Darko and Douglas all where great pickups for a DAnt system team,Gallo has to be their best pick because if he turns into a star he would be their first pick and now Hill so your looking at a GM that may have drafted himself into contention,I've seen this with the Giants sucess in football,drafting is key,now with Isiah doing a great job and Donnie well we can turn into winners real soon IMO.Just add Lebron and Rubio and walla championships city.
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Post by kgooglog on Sept 7, 2009 7:53:22 GMT -5
Rene...
Excellent point about Jason Kidd, not to mention Grant Hill or Andre Miller, etc. I like Ramon Sessions but he was a reserve on mediocre Milwaukee team. I'd much rather have your man, Nate, as a combo guard who can light it up--and he will be like a rocket ship playing his rear off for another deal after this season--and if he just focused a bit more on playmaking, he would be an all-star, IMO.
Walsh will be inking Nate and David to their one year deals in the next week, and the Knicks are better off for it.
I also believe that if Lee and Robinson remain Knicks on a one year deal, we retain their "Bird" rights which means we can exceed the salary cap next season to resign them, whilst getting LeBron and his second fiddle on board.
Maybe I am overly optimistic, but that pic of Gallo makes me think the kid has superstar written all over him. This guy has one of the sweetest shots in limited minutes I've seen since Allan Houston, and plays defense, which Houston forgot how to do most of the time. He is also 6'11 and dribbles like a guard. And he passes the ball, unlike one Mr. Harrington--sorry Bill, I know you like Al, but his last pass was made at Tina Cervasio in a post-game interview.
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Post by pearl on Sept 7, 2009 8:07:45 GMT -5
Kenny:
Gallo's jumpshot reminds me a lot of Kiki Vandeweghe's. A nice ark, clean looking shot, with great range. I had gone to a Knick-Net game at the Net's arena this past season, and Gallo got hot and hit 3 straight jumpers from 25 feet out and beyond. I remember thinking, he looks like a young Kiki Vandeweghe.
Let's hope.
Pearl
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Sept 7, 2009 8:29:07 GMT -5
Pearl he reminds me of Bird with his shot and his defense while bot being fast he is a natural with instincts to make steals like Larry did being slow as hell.I think Gallo has one of the sweetest looking shot since Allan was on the Knicks and he's 6/11.Hill seems to have a real nice fade away from down low,this is going to be exciting watching those two trees develope,big guys are special in the NBA .Pearl I remember walking past Kiki and remembering how tall he was,height rules in the NBA and my man N8 defies this logic.LOL N8 plays like he's a 7 footer blocking Ming.I also notice on film that Douglas is alot better shooter than he showed in the preseason,that's why I'm glad we didn't sign Sessions Douglas is a real good shooter and he will show more of that than what we saw.
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Post by pearl on Sept 7, 2009 10:37:10 GMT -5
Rene:
Good points and analogy with Bird's style and shot. Let's get Lebron and Bosh here in 2010 and get this party going again. There is no place like MSG, during a Knick-playoff game that matters. WE need this back again, like in the 90's and 70's.
Pearl
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Sept 7, 2009 19:21:13 GMT -5
I just wonder why some still talk about Rubio as if thats a forgone conclusion or a goal we should be namored with.
Honestly Deron Williams or Chris Paul more importantly would be better more important alternatives to United States basketball glory for the PG position.
Certainly if we were running Olympiakos or Maccabi Tel Aviv I'd say Rubio would have been the one for us. But we should worry about the immediate(this year and next summer) and not a player Kahn isnt interested in trading us.
-Jason
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Post by irish2u2 on Sept 8, 2009 14:14:58 GMT -5
I just wonder why some still talk about Rubio as if thats a forgone conclusion or a goal we should be namored with. Honestly Deron Williams or Chris Paul more importantly would be better more important alternatives to United States basketball glory for the PG position. Certainly if we were running Olympiakos or Maccabi Tel Aviv I'd say Rubio would have been the one for us. But we should worry about the immediate(this year and next summer) and not a player Kahn isnt interested in trading us. -Jason Jason I'm not sure the Knicks are "worried" about getting Rubio as much as opportunistic that they might land a Jason Kidd/John Stockton like playmaker for a lot less than a Chris Paul or Deron Williams might cost if they ever became available. We all tend to forget this kid is still in diapers. He's good now but he will be much better later when his body catches up to the skills. Keep in mind also the kudos he got from our Olympians so we know he can play at this level. As long as he is still in "play" meaning he still doesn't want to play in Minnesota and he still has them over a barrell by staying in Europe we have a chance at landing him. |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Sept 8, 2009 14:38:28 GMT -5
I agree Bill we might be able to get him cheaper as time passes,also we might have more assets as well if Eddie Curry is back in shape and he creates value which we can trade to Minny,this thing will never die I'm affraid until the kid hits the Big Apple IMO.The kid is very young in all respects ,but getting him in the NBA might be the best way for him to develope physically with the training we have here ,Gallo is getting ripped here & he will supprise ,I have good vibes about our young talent.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Sept 10, 2009 20:53:42 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, I know Rubio can be a force of finesse and precision when he is on. Glimpses of that were in his Olympic play and any video u can find on youtube, BUT he is not our player and we are currently at the whims of new GM who isnt looking to get fired by trading us one of the NBA's future gems.
We havent had a pick of our own, that we were able to spare, because the last two year WE needed them more than we were able to trade them off(we can thank Isiah) for that, AND we dont have anything to offer in player trade value that Minny didnt already have an abundance of which is forwards. We are overloaded in forwards and their franchise players are an interchangable 3/4 in Love and a 5 in Jefferson.
I think Deron Williams or CP3 are both playoff battle tested enough to go after and add to either Wade or Lebron in 2011. Yeah they are expensive but to me we need to harvest more on a sure thing than a long shot that keeps signing new contracts with overseas teams to which we dont own the rights to nor the assets to trade for.
Seems like a reason to get hopes up for nothing thinking about getting Rubio at this juncture but as in all things you never know. I just dont see it.
-Jason
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Post by irish2u2 on Sept 10, 2009 21:57:36 GMT -5
Jason
The main reason there is some hope with Rubio is his stated desire to play in a larger venue with a strong leaning towards NYC and the fact that he has viable options right in his own backyard by staying in Spain. He has Minnesota over a barrel which begs the question of what Kahn was thinking when he drafted Ricky. He had to have done a pre-draft interview and knew of Rubio's disinterest with Minnesota. It's a little puzzling.
A bit of backstory is that Kahn was once a protege of Walsh. ; )
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And perhaps in Dantoni's system Darko Milicic can find his stride, six years later. Obviously the PG situation still needs to be addressed. Duhon overachieved when it came to expectations but we all saw the breakdown towards the end of the season. The man needs some "true" PG help. I havent forgot about Tony Douglas but is he ready to contribute right away? Hopefully so. I wish the Jared Jeffries fanclub would take their celeb back, maybe throw us the expiring contract of Mike James in return? 
