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Post by garyd on Mar 18, 2021 12:12:35 GMT -5
Hitting the wall- fatigue factor…. This is the time when the incoming college kids usually hit the wall. The only qualifier here is a big one- IQ -Quickley. And there are signs lately of that happening. Obi hasn’t played big minutes so no problem there. As a pro, Noel looks to also be losing full strength with Robinson still weeks away. I also worry about Randle being overworked.
The schedule- Actually after the last 2 tough games it lightens up a lot for the rest of March- 5 of the next 7 at home and against mostly below .500 teams (4 of 7 games). Orlando (13-26), Philly (28-13 but missing Embid), Washington twice (14-25), at Milwaukee (26-14), Miami (22-19) and at Minnesota (9-31).
The use of three point shooters like Burks and Bullock is important along with Rose (key) to dispense passes to those three point shooters.
With a potential easier schedule Coach Thibodaux needs to lengthen his bench a bit.
If we come out of that stretch with say a 5-2 record we will be in great shape.
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Post by irish2u2 on Mar 18, 2021 17:47:37 GMT -5
Hitting the wall- fatigue factor…. This is the time when the incoming college kids usually hit the wall. The only qualifier here is a big one- IQ -Quickley. And there are signs lately of that happening. Obi hasn’t played big minutes so no problem there. As a pro, Noel looks to also be losing full strength with Robinson still weeks away. I also worry about Randle being overworked. The schedule- Actually after the last 2 tough games it lightens up a lot for the rest of March- 5 of the next 7 at home and against mostly below .500 teams (4 of 7 games). Orlando (13-26), Philly (28-13 but missing Embid), Washington twice (14-25), at Milwaukee (26-14), Miami (22-19) and at Minnesota (9-31). The use of three point shooters like Burks and Bullock is important along with Rose (key) to dispense passes to those three point shooters. With a potential easier schedule Coach Thibodaux needs to lengthen his bench a bit. If we come out of that stretch with say a 5-2 record we will be in great shape. . It's not Chicken Little time but with Quickly out tonight against the Magic I'm thinking we see a lot of Theo Pinson and maybe Jarred Harper and that doesn't make me all that happy in a winnable game.
On the positive side I think Mitch will be back sooner than later. He's been cleared for contact which means he is ramping up for a return in 7-10 days. Nerlens will be happy.  Randle did look tired during that 14 point 4th quarter against Philly. Now y'all know why I liked Tobias Harris so much though I wouldn't pay what Philly is paying for him.
Will the Knicks make a deal before the trading deadline at the end of the month? No clue but I think once Rose and Quickly are back along with Mitch the need for a trade lessens. I want to keep all our 2021 draft choices but that's just me being selfish and playing the long game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 11:45:55 GMT -5
Hitting the wall- fatigue factor…. This is the time when the incoming college kids usually hit the wall. The only qualifier here is a big one- IQ -Quickley. And there are signs lately of that happening. Obi hasn’t played big minutes so no problem there. As a pro, Noel looks to also be losing full strength with Robinson still weeks away. I also worry about Randle being overworked. The schedule- Actually after the last 2 tough games it lightens up a lot for the rest of March- 5 of the next 7 at home and against mostly below .500 teams (4 of 7 games). Orlando (13-26), Philly (28-13 but missing Embid), Washington twice (14-25), at Milwaukee (26-14), Miami (22-19) and at Minnesota (9-31). The use of three point shooters like Burks and Bullock is important along with Rose (key) to dispense passes to those three point shooters. With a potential easier schedule Coach Thibodaux needs to lengthen his bench a bit. If we come out of that stretch with say a 5-2 record we will be in great shape. . It's not Chicken Little time but with Quickly out tonight against the Magic I'm thinking we see a lot of Theo Pinson and maybe Jarred Harper and that doesn't make me all that happy in a winnable game.
On the positive side I think Mitch will be back sooner than later. He's been cleared for contact which means he is ramping up for a return in 7-10 days. Nerlens will be happy. Randle did look tired during that 14 point 4th quarter against Philly. Now y'all know why I liked Tobias Harris so much though I wouldn't pay what Philly is paying for him.
Will the Knicks make a deal before the trading deadline at the end of the month? No clue but I think once Rose and Quickly are back along with Mitch the need for a trade lessens. I want to keep all our 2021 draft choices but that's just me being selfish and playing the long game.
Great post Gary. Mad respect toward you remaining in long game mode. |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Mar 19, 2021 12:36:09 GMT -5
Hitting the wall- fatigue factor…. This is the time when the incoming college kids usually hit the wall. The only qualifier here is a big one- IQ -Quickley. And there are signs lately of that happening. Obi hasn’t played big minutes so no problem there. As a pro, Noel looks to also be losing full strength with Robinson still weeks away. I also worry about Randle being overworked. The schedule- Actually after the last 2 tough games it lightens up a lot for the rest of March- 5 of the next 7 at home and against mostly below .500 teams (4 of 7 games). Orlando (13-26), Philly (28-13 but missing Embid), Washington twice (14-25), at Milwaukee (26-14), Miami (22-19) and at Minnesota (9-31). The use of three point shooters like Burks and Bullock is important along with Rose (key) to dispense passes to those three point shooters. With a potential easier schedule Coach Thibodaux needs to lengthen his bench a bit. If we come out of that stretch with say a 5-2 record we will be in great shape. . It's not Chicken Little time but with Quickly out tonight against the Magic I'm thinking we see a lot of Theo Pinson and maybe Jarred Harper and that doesn't make me all that happy in a winnable game.
On the positive side I think Mitch will be back sooner than later. He's been cleared for contact which means he is ramping up for a return in 7-10 days. Nerlens will be happy. Randle did look tired during that 14 point 4th quarter against Philly. Now y'all know why I liked Tobias Harris so much though I wouldn't pay what Philly is paying for him.
Will the Knicks make a deal before the trading deadline at the end of the month? No clue but I think once Rose and Quickly are back along with Mitch the need for a trade lessens. I want to keep all our 2021 draft choices but that's just me being selfish and playing the long game.
Great post Gary. Rose was at last night's game so his isolation must be over. Begley stated that he may be ready for the game against Philly this weekend. I hope so. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Mar 19, 2021 14:44:32 GMT -5
No idea what is happening with Rose. Either he has COVID or his little brother died from COVID or something having to do with the pandemic because they keep saying he's observing the protocols. Whatever is going on it sounds like Derrick is in a very bad place. Payton is hurt...again and with PT available no Austin Rivers. It's not Chicken Little time but with Quickly out tonight against the Magic I'm thinking we see a lot of Theo Pinson and maybe Jarred Harper and that doesn't make me all that happy in a winnable game.
On the positive side I think Mitch will be back sooner than later. He's been cleared for contact which means he is ramping up for a return in 7-10 days. Nerlens will be happy. Randle did look tired during that 14 point 4th quarter against Philly. Now y'all know why I liked Tobias Harris so much though I wouldn't pay what Philly is paying for him.
Will the Knicks make a deal before the trading deadline at the end of the month? No clue but I think once Rose and Quickly are back along with Mitch the need for a trade lessens. I want to keep all our 2021 draft choices but that's just me being selfish and playing the long game.
Great post Gary. Mad respect toward you remaining in long game mode.
The Knick Quick Fix has been a miserable failure for over two decades. A different approach is required. The Knicks have been smart. And patient. IMHO the only mistake the Knicks have made in the last year or so is not signing Christian Wood. Otherwise they have made intelligent drafting decisions (more on Obi later) and aside from Wood they have made some really good free agent signings notably Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel. The team has also kept their own draft picks while adding more, especially second round picks, while keeping their cap space. Who could have imagined a day when the New York Knicks had the NBA's LOWEST payroll?
We are playing better this season thanks to Thibs, an improved Randle with a better surrounding cast, IQ and notably a huge surge in improvement with RJ Barrett. IMHO, Julius and RJ are the catalysts for the team's return to relevance. I don't know if Randle can get much better but RJ is just scratching the surface of his potential.
As to Obi he's pressing. He is playing behind the team's best player who also happens to lead the NBA in MPG. Obi gets in and he immediately forces things. He'll learn to slow down and let the game come to him. He has shown flashes of excellent play followed by stretches where either he is standing around or forcing things. Last night I noticed two things that illustrate these points about Obi. One was a very effective one on one move down in the block that should have been finished with a point blank hook shot or turnaround jumper. Instead he forced the ball further inside and the Knicks were lucky they kept the possession when Obi was blocked. The other play was a drive by a Knicks guard, I think it was Burks, and a camera angle under the basket showed Obi just standing by the free throw line with a clear path to the basket for a rebound and dunk if Burks missed which he did. In Obi's favor is he is a hard worker and he's a smart kid. I think most of the angst over Obi is because the Knicks took Obi instead of Tyrese Haliburton. I wanted Haliburton. But here's a question. If we take Haliburton with the 8th pick do the Knicks still take IQ with the 25th? I get it just like the Knicks passed on Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo to take Frank Ntilikina in 2017. But that works both ways. I think a number of teams will regret not signing Julius a couple of summers ago like teams will regret not drafting Quickly.
Two decades of mismanagement have left Knicks fans traumatized and in a hurry. That won't work. What does work is drafting smart, developing our young players and spending smart in free agency while building the product back up so players WANT to play for the Knicks. That day is coming.
BTW, I'd love for the Knicks to sign a veteran C/PF like Kyle O'Quinn but sadly there is no more G League for Obi to get his minutes. So as Knick fans we might just have to endure his growing pains. |
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Post by trendsetta on Mar 20, 2021 14:54:45 GMT -5
Hitting the wall- fatigue factor…. This is the time when the incoming college kids usually hit the wall. The only qualifier here is a big one- IQ -Quickley. And there are signs lately of that happening. Obi hasn’t played big minutes so no problem there. As a pro, Noel looks to also be losing full strength with Robinson still weeks away. I also worry about Randle being overworked. The schedule- Actually after the last 2 tough games it lightens up a lot for the rest of March- 5 of the next 7 at home and against mostly below .500 teams (4 of 7 games). Orlando (13-26), Philly (28-13 but missing Embid), Washington twice (14-25), at Milwaukee (26-14), Miami (22-19) and at Minnesota (9-31). The use of three point shooters like Burks and Bullock is important along with Rose (key) to dispense passes to those three point shooters. With a potential easier schedule Coach Thibodaux needs to lengthen his bench a bit. If we come out of that stretch with say a 5-2 record we will be in great shape. The most important player is our All-Star. He is in the best shape of his career and outside of a major injury right at the start of his hitherto spotty career he has been quite durable. And now we have seen his ability to adapt his game according to what the defense throws at him-- 17 assists is not nothing for a playmaker at the power forward position. I didn't see the game and alas nobody gave an in depth report-- did anyone watch the game? I am assuming that many of the assists are from passing out of doubles. Lets hope there's more of this to come for Julius Randle. If he starts making others around him better and leads the Knicks to a competitive second round appearance he earns something close to a max. If IQ is waning then I believe that Barrett has to elevate his game between now and the final game... assuming we make the playoffs. Maybe we cut IQ's minutes to 12-16 a night, make the playoffs, and spike them then? We MUST have Mitch back for any real success. Rose's contribution, in my opinion, is overrated. Not a difference maker unless he has a clutch gene. I heard he's a fan of trains. And going AWOL. Don't like watching him play, even when he had knees. Not a fan of Derrick Rose. If Rivers doesn't get trade he needs to be out there during the playoffs to the tune of 16 minutes a night for three-point shooting. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Mar 20, 2021 16:34:27 GMT -5
When Derrick Rose plays the Knicks are a better basketball team. Period. No discussion. No debate. He's not MVP Derrick Rose but he is good enough that Tom Thibodeau wanted him and trusts him. That's good enough for me.
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Post by trendsetta on Mar 20, 2021 17:49:09 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique.
Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs.
I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Mar 20, 2021 18:31:51 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique. Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs. I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose. Ok whoa let's take several steps back and have several seats. The man lost a family member and attended a funeral, and might've been exposed to COVID. You couldn't possibly be attacking character without knowing the full story are you? And then regarding his play this year he has been having great synergy(your favorite word), with Quickley, Obi, and the second unit so maybe you haven't seen alot of Rose games since he's been with the team. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Mar 21, 2021 0:04:01 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique. Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs. I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose.
Rose makes the Knicks better. PERIOD!! The reason there is no discussion there is because it should be so fucking obvious he has made the team better. To everybody but you of course. BTW, this is basketball. Downward trends are just a game away from being reversed. Nobody expects Rose to a anything but a good player and that is what he brings to the Knicks.
Now add in Jason's remarks about what Derrick has gone through recently personally and the fact all his teammates love the guy and I have to say I'm eager to see what you say next. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 4:59:22 GMT -5
When Derrick Rose plays the Knicks are a better basketball team. Period. No discussion. No debate. He's not MVP Derrick Rose but he is good enough that Tom Thibodeau wanted him and trusts him. That's good enough for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 5:57:25 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique. Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs. I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose. |
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Post by trendsetta on Mar 21, 2021 8:37:30 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique. Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs. I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose. His first time here he was terrible, and the first time here he was also flaky, and he was under suspicion of sexual assault that delayed his arrival to the Knicks. I'm not sure he's turned over a new leaf, but I have taken note that some of the young players on the Knicks have sung his praises. That's great. And while I can understand leaving if it's a member of his family who had died... that wasn't the case here. In fact, this is the same BFF of Rose's who was part of the "train" that infamous night in LA and I believe is still in Rose's employ. deadspin.com/derrick-roses-friend-explains-the-difference-between-gi-1787686668 Not sure whether that makes a difference to you but seems kinda ballsy to ask for paid leave from the team for a non-family member's younger brother. I would have counseled Rose to remain with the team and commiserate over Skype with his friend until the season is over. Rose and Thibs might be coddling him. My apologies if this opinion of mine has offended you or anyone else. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Mar 21, 2021 10:01:03 GMT -5
I could spin this a number of ways. Rose was found innocent of the he said, she said trial. I have friends who I consider family. I pardon any player’s actions during the Reign of Fill. 😎
Bottom line is Rose isn’t the same guy he used to be. He’s been married since 2018 after dating his bride for two years. He has a child. There is no doubt he is mentoring several young Knicks just like there is no doubt he has had an impact on the court. At BOTH ends.
THIS discussion should be over. My bet is it isn’t. 😎
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Post by trendsetta on Mar 21, 2021 11:17:53 GMT -5
Come on now, Bill. Are you saying there's to be no discussion and no debate... on an internet forum? I am going to remain a gentleman and refrain from further critique. Instead I assume you insist on debate. Okey doke LOL. Rose has little or no playoff success in any critical role other than one year in Chicago, before being completely shut down by Lebron James. Unforgettable performance.. until he himself ate crow big time at the hands of the Mavs. I'm a guilty until proven innocent type of liberal, Bill, and the Covid protocol dark cloud hanging over Rose does not bode well for a confirmation of character, professionalism, intelligence, maturity. I thought Randle was a mistake and he has proven many haters wrong all over the NBA and the internet. Rose is a wait and see because our bar is now the playoffs, where he has had merely Melo-like success. Frankly I'd rather have Melo but that's just me. When you look at Rose's playoff resume' it's nothing to write home about. He has no savvy. Before being absent for "stuff" he was trending downward anyway, something I noted around the time just before his extended absence. And besides: ten games is the sample size here. TEN GAMES. Thibs is allowed to love Rose and support him-- I get it-- but we will see how many minutes Rose plays in the playoffs and see what Thibs ultimately thinks of Rose. Ok whoa let's take several steps back and have several seats. The man lost a family member and attended a funeral, and might've been exposed to COVID. You couldn't possibly be attacking character without knowing the full story are you? And then regarding his play this year he has been having great synergy(your favorite word), with Quickley, Obi, and the second unit so maybe you haven't seen alot of Rose games since he's been with the team. It wasn't a family member. It was the younger brother of the same dude who was caught "training" a woman with Rose in LA, leading to a sexual assault issue and delaying Rose's arrival here the first time around. Read my response to Gates. I have seen Rose play in at least half of the games. You might recall my game commentaries this year. He leaves his feet to pass the ball every single time. That'll catch up with him if we make the playoffs. We shall see how much Thibs "trusts" him in terms of minutes played and when those minutes are allotted. My original response to the OP had other material in it about Randle, Quickley, Barrett, and Rivers. What did you think of the rest of the post? |
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Randle did look tired during that 14 point 4th quarter against Philly. Now y'all know why I liked Tobias Harris so much though I wouldn't pay what Philly is paying for him. 
