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Post by whensly on Jun 19, 2009 13:25:49 GMT -5
Via the NY Post:
Charles Oakley is under consideration by Walsh to help big men play inside D,
toughen up the marshmallows.
Haven't we all been talking about this for nearly a decade?
Hope it happens.
ps; On another note..has anyone seen the Snickers commercial
with Fat Pat Sr? Damn you'd think he was on the Eddie Curry plan.
hope everyone is having a good almost summer.
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Post by pearl on Jun 19, 2009 13:40:53 GMT -5
Excellent post, the Knicks have been so foolish by not relying upon valued resources. Oak would instill a kick-ass attitude with soft, Eddie Curry.
Clyde has been broadcasting for fifteen years and you would think the Knick management might offer him a mentoring role, its not like the Knick backcourt is a hall of fame one, like Earl and Clyde were, or even as good as Derrick Harper was, very foolish on their part. Clyde offered a few years ago to teach Crawford the fundamentals of defense and was turned down, what a stupid non-decision by management.
Great point on Oak.
Pearl
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 19, 2009 15:03:50 GMT -5
Great news if true. I love Oak and I think he could be a great mentor/motivator to our big men especially Curry. Not using Clyde's experience is a major mistake by this team's administration and hopefully soon that will be rectified. It's not like we can't use all the help we can get.
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Post by jbaer10314 on Jun 19, 2009 20:21:54 GMT -5
<< Via the NY Post:
Charles Oakley is under consideration by Walsh to help big men play inside D,
toughen up the marshmallows.
Haven't we all been talking about this for nearly a decade?
Hope it happens. >>
Right. And Oakley won't shut up if one of those big men show up with an untied shoelace.
If Oak can keep his knee-jerk reactions in check, I'm all for it.
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Post by whensly on Jun 20, 2009 12:59:23 GMT -5
and wouldn't it be ironic
if Oak got a Knick job before Patrick?
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 21, 2009 8:12:46 GMT -5
Oak has a way with young players which resonates. It is called whoop-ass. If any NBA basketball player in the world needs a can of this, it is Eddy Curry, and I endorse Oak returning as a Knick "Big and Fat man" coach, with his primary target being the Blue Whale. Also, Oak can certainly help Lee (if he stays) with his help defense, not to mention, his man to man defense.
Patrick has done wonders for Dwight Howard, but let's remember that Howard is an extremely well-conditioned athlete, who has a polar opposite attitude than Fatso. I think Pat would do wonders for "The Big EC", but one can just do so much. Oak would ride Curry like a rhino, and keep him on a very, very short leash.
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Post by whensly on Jun 21, 2009 21:06:57 GMT -5
You really think Patrick was the key Dwight Howard? Howard did manage to come up small in the finals  Patrick did not build the Ming Dynasty..with Yao. Remember Kareem was hired to work with Eddie and our bigs a few years ago and quit several weeks in. Patrick might help Eddie by eating Eddie's portions. If you see Patrick these days, he makes Eddie look like Ricky Rubio Happy Summer |
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 22, 2009 14:31:39 GMT -5
You really think Patrick was the key Dwight Howard? Howard did manage to come up small in the finals Patrick did not build the Ming Dynasty..with Yao. Remember Kareem was hired to work with Eddie and our bigs a few years ago and quit several weeks in. Patrick might help Eddie by eating Eddie's portions. If you see Patrick these days, he makes Eddie look like Ricky Rubio Happy Summer Mouse.... I do think that Patrick is working very hard with Dwight Howard, whose team was never expected to make it to the big dance. Howard is a beast and the best center in the NBA right now. If Patrick teaches Dwight how to shoot, this kid may break NBA records in nearly every category. Patrick is nowhere near the size of Lard-ass, and even if he put on weight, he is an assistant coach, who did develop Yao into a better player, a player who is also on the rise. His work with Howard was documented on a TNT special, and no one, and I mean, no one, disputes Ewing's enormous infuence of the young phenom. Every young player, even Howard, has short-comings. If Orlando retains Patrick Ewing, Dwight Howard will become a Hall of Fame pivot. Kareem's work with Fat Blob obviously failed. It takes to to dance, and it was assuredly not Kareem's fault that Eddy ate the entire state of Rhode Island... Have a Terrific Summer, Comrade. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 22, 2009 14:39:52 GMT -5
Ken and Mouse
FWIW, Dwight Howard gives a lot of credit to Patrick Ewing for the improvements in his play and Orlando was ultra quick signing Patrick to an extension to keep him in Orlando.
I see Patrick all the time in the papers and on the tube and while he has gotten bigger he's not Curry-sized. Yet. ; )
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Post by dk7th on Jun 22, 2009 14:54:03 GMT -5
if howard wants to develop into a great player, he should go to a big man's camp. ewing won't be able to help him much there because ewing himself was overrated as a post player. the camp in question is the same one that olajuwon went to in order to develop a low post game for the ages-- the same camp that ewing felt he was too good for. ewing's stubborn hubris hurt him as a player and undermines his efforts at properly mentoring howard-- who frankly does not seem to know nba history.
you can read about this camp in the new york times archives in a piece written by harvey araton, which i will provide here:
SPORTS OF THE TIMES; In the Low Post, a Life's Work for All to See
By HARVEY ARATON
Published: November 18, 2008
I never met Pete Newell but I knew his work well, as did millions of basketball fans in the United States and across the world. It was on display for decades in N.B.A. arenas, most notably in the bodies of the game's most celebrated big men, from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Shaquille O'Neal, and others not nearly as famous.
Newell, the Hall of Fame coach who died Monday at 93, always loved to talk about the centers that flocked to the big man camp he became known for in the later stages of his career. ''We have an adage at camp,'' he said in one of several telephone interviews we did. ''The quality of your shot will depend on the quality of your footwork.''
Newell would say, in a nutshell, without reservation, that that was the difference between Hakeem Olajuwon winning two N.B.A. championships with the Houston Rockets and Patrick Ewing's failing to win one with the Knicks. In the early years of Ewing's career, the Knicks begged their franchise center to attend Newell's camp to better learn the fundamentals of interior play. They knew how much Newell had helped the young Bernard King become a nearly unstoppable force on the low post, a small forward who could launch his turnaround jump shot at will because his balance and footwork were sublime.
Ewing steadfastly refused. The Newell camp was in the west. Ewing was an East Coast guy, part of the Georgetown cabal. Great as he was, Ewing never did develop great foot skills in the post, often taking the path of least resistance, relying on his athleticism to get to the basket, or release his shots, until those natural gifts faded.
The difference between Ewing and Olajuwon, who did attend Newell's camps, was obvious when they squared off in the 1994 finals.
''Offensively, Ewing, like most centers, is a jump-shooter,'' Newell said when I called him before Olajuwon took on O'Neal in the finals one year later. ''Ewing's good, but if he learned how to use his body, he'd be even better.''
Basketball's pivot professor -- who won an N.C.A.A. title at the University of California in 1959 and coached the United States to an Olympic gold medal one year later -- tended to blame the decline of traditional low-post play on college zones that would inhibit the center's development. He said that when Olajuwon was first sent to him: ''He had no moves. What he had was ambidexterity of the feet. I remember asking him, 'Who taught you to move your feet like that?' He said, 'Coach, no one teach me. I play soccer.' ''
But Olajuwon -- like O'Neal, who came later -- was described as an eager learner, an honor student. Both became adept not only at creating opportunities for themselves, but recognizing double teams early and making opposing defenses pay with quick passes out.
''It's like being an N.F.L. quarterback,'' said Newell, whose camp began unofficially in the early 1970s when, as general manager of the Lakers, he drafted Kermit Washington, a bull-in-a-china shop power forward out of American University. Washington went to Newell for some offensive tips and such was the camp's humble origin, five August days of instruction, no scrimmages, jump shots or tuition.
Who can say how Knicks history would have changed had Ewing gotten on a plane when the franchise elders begged him to? Or for that matter, if Eddy Curry had been born a lot sooner?what does it say about a guy who actually expects the phone to be ringing off the hook with head coaching offers? ewing always seemed to be out of touch with his own value and he has started to confirm it.
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