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Post by garyd on Jun 19, 2009 9:39:13 GMT -5
Less than a week away and the Knicks seem to be scouting the entire left coast. They have brought in Jordan Hill, Jrue Holiday (about to be twice), Demar DeRozan (today), and Brandon Jennings ( a LA kid by way of Europe).
Southern California is a hotbed of Basketball talent, particulalry in the run and gun mode. A whole lot of PGs have come from there (Payton, Kidd, Baron Davis, etc.).
I wont go into each guy above, as I already did that previoulsy. But I think some of these guys could be taken lower than #8 or , which says to me that the Knicks are considering trading down as an option.
If I were to grade them as NBA ready it would be:
NBA Ready.
1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3. Jennings, 4. Holiday.
Potential for stardom:
1. DeRozan, 2 Hill, 3. Holiday, 4.Jennings .
Good Fit for the Knicks:
1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3.Holiday , 4.Jennings .
BTW Hill is a very good post player and post defender and to me has more upside than Thabeet because he can run and develop his own shot, and can play the PF or C position with a few more pounds of muscle. I think that is what is catching Donnie Walshs eye.
This draft is rich in guards so getting another draft choice makes the PG selection easy. Besides if James isnt available D Wade is in 2010.
Gary
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Post by axios on Jun 19, 2009 9:46:09 GMT -5
Im down for Curry or Derozen. Please no Jennings, please no Thabeet, havent seen enough of Holiday.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 19, 2009 14:32:16 GMT -5
Here is my thinking right this moment based on what I have read/seen of all the prospects we might be looking at right now and factoring in the chance we might move up in the draft.
Jordan Hill - size, athleticism and skills. Good defender who needs some NBA muscle. Can shoot from the high post, good rebounder and a decent, not great, motor.
Stephen Curry - off the charts in intangibles. Better athlete than reported, played PG this year and did well, unselfish, smart and skilled. Could be a great combo guard if he were 3-5 inches taller but now must be used as a PG. I think he has the ability and work ethic to be a good NBA PG but not a great one. Obviously the best shooter in the draft.
Jrue Holiday - good PG size and skills, off the chart athleticism but perhaps questionable attitude. A gamble albeit with an upside. I hate that word "upside". I like the word "slam dunk". Holiday is not a slam dunk.
Brandon Jennings - the mouth that roared. Disappointed in Europe but kept right on yapping. Hasn't stopped yapping. He has ability, athleticism and skills but the Kenny "Shoot First, Shoot Second, Pass Third" Anderson comparisons worry me. This kid is radioactive.
Demar DeRozan - I trust what Gary says but comparisons to Vince Carter are not just premature but ridiculous. He has great size, good athleticism and a sickly shot. Doesn't sound like he is a fit for D'Antoni, does it?
Tyreke Evans - More versatile than deRozan but 225lb PGs that aren't 6'9 and named "Magic" worry me. Evans might be a prototype combo guard but like DeRozan his jumper is in the infirmary. You can teach a guy to shoot but I think D'Antoni wants guys who already can shoot.
Ty Lawson - Slipped down to the end of the first round but may be on his way back. A lot is said on how he led UNC to an NCAA title and it's true. Of course he had help and Taurean Green led Florida to two titles and he's playing in Europe. Lawson is smart, got a great motor, strong, good decision maker and a leader. He also shoots well from distance. Height, short arms and lack of explosive quickness hinder him but picking #8 is a crap shoot. Do we roll the dice with this guy over arguably more talented and athletic players?
Jonny Flynn - Getting a lot of noise in the system. A lot like Lawson only better wingspan, quicker, much more athletic and able to penetrate and either finish at the rim or pass. He does either equally well. Not a great shooter but not bad either. Like Lawson he is short but his athleticism makes up for it and he is 3" taller than Nate Robinson with PG skills. My biggest issue is he a Syracuse player. I hate 'Cuse players especially their over-hyped PGs. Is Jonny the second coming of Pearl Washington? No. Flynn is an elite athlete and Washington must have been related to Hot Rod Williams, Tractor Traylor or Eddy Curry.
Hasheem Thabeet - On the plus side he is actually taller than Mutumbo, a better athlete and even better offensively though it should be noted almost everyone is better offensively than Deke. He's got tremendous defensive instincts and he is decently strong. Questionable motor. Definitely a follower and not a leader. Could provide the Knicks with some help right out of the box as a rookie.
Who do I like? I like Stephen Curry. I like a lot of what I hear about Evans, Hill and DeRozan. I would not be crushed if we picked Thabeet and I am liking Flynn more and more every day. I hate Jennings. I still think the Great Unknown, Ricky Rubio, might be special and a future star. Other than that I know Diddley and keep in mind Bo Diddley lived right outside of Gainesville, is buried here and has a downtown square named after him. ; )
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Post by jbaer10314 on Jun 19, 2009 20:18:59 GMT -5
<< Less than a week away and the Knicks seem to be scouting the entire left coast. They have brought in Jordan Hill, Jrue Holiday (about to be twice), Demar DeRozan (today), and Brandon Jennings ( a LA kid by way of Europe).
Southern California is a hotbed of Basketball talent, particulalry in the run and gun mode. A whole lot of PGs have come from there (Payton, Kidd, Baron Davis, etc.).
I wont go into each guy above, as I already did that previoulsy. But I think some of these guys could be taken lower than #8 or , which says to me that the Knicks are considering trading down as an option.
If I were to grade them as NBA ready it would be:
NBA Ready.
1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3. Jennings, 4. Holiday.
Potential for stardom:
1. DeRozan, 2 Hill, 3. Holiday, 4.Jennings .
Good Fit for the Knicks:
1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3.Holiday , 4.Jennings .
BTW Hill is a very good post player and post defender and to me has more upside than Thabeet because he can run and develop his own shot, and can play the PF or C position with a few more pounds of muscle. I think that is what is catching Donnie Walshs eye.
This draft is rich in guards so getting another draft choice makes the PG selection easy. Besides if James isnt available D Wade is in 2010. >>
Doesn't matter to me whom we pick. We'll trade him within the next two years anyway.
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Post by greatgates on Jun 19, 2009 20:45:03 GMT -5
Less than a week away and the Knicks seem to be scouting the entire left coast. They have brought in Jordan Hill, Jrue Holiday (about to be twice), Demar DeRozan (today), and Brandon Jennings ( a LA kid by way of Europe). Southern California is a hotbed of Basketball talent, particulalry in the run and gun mode. A whole lot of PGs have come from there (Payton, Kidd, Baron Davis, etc.). I wont go into each guy above, as I already did that previoulsy. But I think some of these guys could be taken lower than #8 or , which says to me that the Knicks are considering trading down as an option. If I were to grade them as NBA ready it would be: NBA Ready. 1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3. Jennings, 4. Holiday. Potential for stardom: 1. DeRozan, 2 Hill, 3. Holiday, 4.Jennings . Good Fit for the Knicks: 1. Hill, 2. DeRozan, 3.Holiday , 4.Jennings . BTW Hill is a very good post player and post defender and to me has more upside than Thabeet because he can run and develop his own shot, and can play the PF or C position with a few more pounds of muscle. I think that is what is catching Donnie Walshs eye. This draft is rich in guards so getting another draft choice makes the PG selection easy. Besides if James isnt available D Wade is in 2010. Gary |
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Post by whensly on Jun 20, 2009 13:06:24 GMT -5
the safe and logical guess is when it's all said and done,
"spawn of dell" stephen curry will be our guy
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 21, 2009 8:31:42 GMT -5
the safe and logical guess is when it's all said and done, "spawn of dell" stephen curry will be our guy I agree, Mouse. I know nothing about Stephen, but I know that Dell had an excellent, killer shot, and that S Curry has already indicated that he wants NY, no ifs, ands, or buts. Speaking of Butts, how will the Knicks deal with Eddy's uniform name? I think we give Stephen his dad's # and put "Curry" on his jersey. Now, Eddy will have to wear #340 and offically change his jersey name to "Easy Eddy" or "Bertinelli". |
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Post by neilverson on Jun 23, 2009 12:20:55 GMT -5
I'm sure you guys heard or read this, but since I've been away from the board all week I'm not even gonna read all the posts I've missed. According to an ESPN blog..last week Minnesota held a huge point workout featuring all the top prospects EXCEPT Curry and Rubio.
Lawson, Evans, Jennings, Teague, Flynn and Holiday. Word is Jennings sucked in drills but came alive in live action. Teague was the best shooter but slower then the other guys and Flynn was the best defender.
But Overall Evans dominated mostly because of his size. What I read was Evans absolutely destroyed all 6 of these guys, particularly one on one, not finishing on penetration but also on pullup J's. Who is everybodys selection with the 8th pick at this point?
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 23, 2009 12:29:16 GMT -5
Evans will be gone by #8.
I'm not a fan of Jennings because he is a shoot first PG who likes the ball in his hands for large portions of the shot clock. He's turnover prone, his shooting is average and he doesn't make teammates better. On the plus side he is athletic and quick.
Walsh liked Flynn. He's a decent offensive scorer, has a great handle, he's athletic, a good defender and passer.
Jrue Holiday showed more his second workout with the Knicks. He might be the best athlete of the bunch but he played more SG with UCLA than point. He has great PG size, decent skills but he needs work. He could have the best upside of any PGs available at #8.
Pass on Teague but Lawson intrigues me.
Personally I take Demar DeRozan. He's not a PG but he has the most upside as a player of the guys likely to be available at #8 unless something dramatic happens and a guy like Curry, Hill or even Harden drops.
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Post by neilverson on Jun 23, 2009 12:33:53 GMT -5
So Bill you want Curry the most? Everyone else?
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Post by ironman95 on Jun 23, 2009 20:33:22 GMT -5
I want Tyreke Evans, period. I tuned in to watch Jerome James play last college season against Memphis, and came away very impressed with both of them. I had never heard of Evans before that first game. I have seen him play four times, and he is very, very good. I don't care what the analysts seem to be saying, he has a jump shot, and for sure he has all the rest, from penetration to athleticism to defense, he is there. He can play the point, but doesn't have to. His team went undefeated when Calipari switched him to the point until the Big Dance. That says a lot. Evans is my man, Hill is second, then I don't care. Curry will not succeed in the NBA. Holliday has never played point guard, Collison was the point guard, so that is a HUGE gamble. Rubio pushes his shot, like Magic did, but he is not 6'9". Thabeet is slow and awkward. Harden, I don't know much about. Lawson and Flynn, while not exactly being size-wise, may work out. So I am all for Evans, Hill and then I would gamble on DeRozan. I don't want Curry or Holliday for sure. Holliday averaged 8.5pts/game as the shooting guard. No thanks. I want improvement on defense, Curry won't provide that.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 23, 2009 21:21:31 GMT -5
My picks, in order are:
1) Ricky Rubio
2) Stephen Curry
3) Jordan Hill
4) Tyreke Evans
5) James Harden
If we keep the #8 pick we won't see any of these guys. ; ) At this point just take the best player available.
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Post by greatgates on Jun 24, 2009 15:29:53 GMT -5
My picks, in order are: 1) Ricky Rubio 2) Stephen Curry 3) Jordan Hill 4) Tyreke Evans 5) James Harden If we keep the #8 pick we won't see any of these guys. ; ) At this point just take the best player available. In order I want 1) Rubio 2) Curry 3) Evans - love his game but unsure of his game in D'Antoni's system 4) Harden 5) Hill I expect (with my luck) they ALL will be gone (along with Griffin & thabeet) when we pick 8th |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 24, 2009 16:35:40 GMT -5
GG
I hate when you are right. ; )
Maybe we take a shot and a big chance on Earl Clark. If we get a later pick in the first round there should be some PGs around but talent and size wise few can match Clark at #8. It's the same rationale I use on DeRozan.
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 24, 2009 16:47:44 GMT -5
My pick? Hasheem Thabeet. I believe that Donnie Walsh is working with the Grizz on a blockbuster deal.
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