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Post by jbnewyork162 on Dec 4, 2009 6:23:24 GMT -5
Considering the source(yahoo sports) I'd take this with a grain of salt but The chicago Bulls and the Knicks are discussing a deal that would send Tyrus Thomas and get this Jerome James(WTF) and his expiring contract t0o NY for Al Harrington. I know most of us like Thomas and dont like Harrington but I think Thomas could had for say Mlicic instead seeing as we dont play him at all and the prospect of getting Jerome James back is too funny, expiring contract or not. here is the link: www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63182/20091204/bulls_and_knicks_discuss_tyrus_for_harrington_trade/Once again that it with a grain of salt. Thomas is a restricted free agent next season. Could be insurance for Lee leaving for nothing or in case we sign and trade him. Also saw this rumor on ESPN as well in the insider's section as a caption but since i dont subscribe i couldn't see what their take was. But the common theme is that they are discussing different alternative to sending Al's big contract to Chicago who would then in theory have better cap position to add a Wade or Lebron to Derrick Rose and Luol Deng than us if we trade him. It appears the Bulls like Taj Gibson better than Tyrus long term and I think since really all they want is cap room we should offer them Mlicic and Jeffries for Thomas and James. I like that package way better so they get cap room and they take a 5 mil for an extra year for more bodies down low. We take the hamburgler and Tyrus Thomas back as a restricted free agent just in case Lee signs elsewhere once again. Hopefully we make a trade that doesnt have the Knicks looking like fools and trading the next consecutive picks and swapping our first with their second rounder every otheer year after that i am all for it. If makes us have a unfavorable cap number this summer then we stand pat and do nothing. -Jason |
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Post by kgooglog on Dec 4, 2009 7:28:31 GMT -5
This is a rumor that makes no sense. We had a chance at Tyrus in the offseason and could have inked him when he was restricted. Now the Bulls want us to take Snacks back and give up our leading scorer? I like Tyrus, but not that much. Now, if they take Jared Jeffries, I am all for it.
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Post by pearl on Dec 4, 2009 8:20:28 GMT -5
Do we ever make a deal with the Bulls that works out for us?  ? Don't like this deal at all. Pearl |
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 8:51:11 GMT -5
you're worried about us trading "our leading scorer?" Can I go to the Garden and help Harrington pack his bags? Who cares about a player like Harrington who is just a chucker and won't be here next year? This would mean more shots for someone who will be here. As for Tyrus Thomas, he IS someone who might be here next year, although they would probably renounce him just like they're going to renounce Harrington. This team is going nowhere, so any trade they make that doesn't reduce cap space for next season is fine with me. You don't want to trade our leading scorer? You think we'll miss his scoring in the finals against the Lakers? Just the fact that you would be acquiring a player that MIGHT be here next year makes it a worthwhile trade. Get rid of all these veterans that are gone after the season.
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Post by axios on Dec 4, 2009 12:14:20 GMT -5
Personally, I'm all over this. Harrington is taking away minutes and shots from the youth. tyrus is an athletic freak with a mean streak. We have no one accept Gallo, with balls. He would be a breath of fresh air. Shotblocker, floor running, dog? Let's do it, what's to lose? He's around 6'10" now, is working on bulking up, he will be a cheap version of Amare who plays D, without the J. I do remember him hitting a lot of shots in the bulls playoff game, 10ftrs. He would be a cheap alternative after we let D.Lee go.
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Post by daglazer on Dec 4, 2009 12:30:59 GMT -5
The reason the Knicks might be interested in this type of deal is because Tyrus's hold number is much less than Lee's and he would be a more than adequate replacement for Lee. Thomas is a better defender, shotblocker and shooter. Lee is a better passer and rebounder. As long as it does not hurt the cap for the offseason, then trading Harrington would not bother me.
It would also tell me that they think Gallinari is ready to be the primary scorer on offense and they want to make sure that he gets more shots.
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Post by whensly on Dec 4, 2009 12:34:11 GMT -5
Tyrus Thomas = potential unfulfilled.
Haven't we had enough of those, don't we have enough of those now?
(Darko, Curry, Jeffries, Hill in 3 years?
Harrington is no allstar but he's a good NBA player,
and if traded should bring back something equal or a draft pick.
I'd like to bring Jerome James back..
simply to eat Nate, (as he once threatened)
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Post by daglazer on Dec 4, 2009 12:39:36 GMT -5
One other thought. If we wait until after 12/15, the trade could work with Darko and Nate going to the Bulls instead of Al.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 12:59:58 GMT -5
it doesn't matter what we think about this trade and what the Knicks think about this trade. There's only one thing that matters. Does Lebron James think we should make this trade?
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Post by irish2u2 on Dec 4, 2009 13:16:08 GMT -5
Tyrus Thomas is an amazingly athletic player but he's also a bit of a headcase and my main question would be do we need another headcase?  Seriously, if the trade involved Jefferies and NOT getting Jerome James back I'd take the chance. I like Harrington but at 4-15 nobody is safe on this roster. BTW, my main memory of Thomas aside from some of the awe inspiring leaping he does is going 0 for like 14 or 15 in one game. It reminded me so much of John Starks when he was cold because even though Thomas was clearly chucking bricks he kept chucking. FYI, the idea is to get Thomas, who D'Antoni likes, as cheap insurance in case Lee leaves or some of our summer free agent plans don't work out. If we keep him he's a MLE type contract. |
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Post by dk7th on Dec 4, 2009 13:29:07 GMT -5
if he is also an expiring then why wouldn't walsh pull the trigger? just because we can't unload the other millstones? i'd do it but walsh will probably end up getting a bit more out of the deal. the trade on the face of it is an in-season upgrade if you ask me. yes you lose a "scorer" who scores at the expense of the offense and not in the flow of the offense, is a dummy and a chucker and inconsistent and who provides no leadership and takes away shots from other players who will be with the knicks after this season-- especially gallinari and hill-- and in exchange you get a better-conditioned athlete who looks like he might enjoy playing defense and finishing if we ever get a decent point guard.
in short the trade makes sense in terms of dovetailing nicely with the second of two agendas i have mentioned elsewhere here: that is, the attempt to get a core group of young keepers to cohere between games 25 and 82 and end up looking like the type of situation that lebron james could foresee for himself.
harrington would not be a part of that and the longer he remains on the roster the harder that agenda is to fulfill.
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Post by mercury on Dec 4, 2009 14:21:04 GMT -5
Walsh must be trying to make the Bulls take Jefferies. Harrington and Jefferies for Thomas and Snacks would be great. Snacks would then be cut and not able to step foot into New York. If Walsh cannot get the Bulls to take Jefferies the Bulls should include their 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. Thomas and Hill would provide some nice blocking ability in the middle. We shall see.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Dec 4, 2009 16:51:53 GMT -5
Having Hill and Tyrus Thomas as the PF's of the future sounds ok to me. If its true they need cap relief and yet they see Taj Gibson ans Noah being the future front court and they insist we take Snacks back then Mlicic and Jeffries is whom i want to trade them with a counteroffer. I mean it is expiring for expiring but we have to be smart and see if we can add another piece to the core and Tyrus might be it as another NBA team might scoop up David Lee, when you know he is going to continue to ask for 8-10 million which we cant afford at the moment.
Only thing is that when you trade all of our size then we become smaller than we were before but anything to get Jeffries off our books is fine by me.
-Jason
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Post by whensly on Dec 4, 2009 18:30:00 GMT -5
remember, whenever we have heard Knicks, Walsh rumors, they don't happen,
his trades come as a surprise.
Sounds like this was a discussion last month or more that someone is trying to revive.
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Post by greatgates on Dec 4, 2009 18:34:04 GMT -5
Tyrus Thomas is an amazingly athletic player but he's also a bit of a headcase and my main question would be do we need another headcase? Seriously, if the trade involved Jefferies and NOT getting Jerome James back I'd take the chance. I like Harrington but at 4-15 nobody is safe on this roster. BTW, my main memory of Thomas aside from some of the awe inspiring leaping he does is going 0 for like 14 or 15 in one game. It reminded me so much of John Starks when he was cold because even though Thomas was clearly chucking bricks he kept chucking. FYI, the idea is to get Thomas, who D'Antoni likes, as cheap insurance in case Lee leaves or some of our summer free agent plans don't work out. If we keep him he's a MLE type contract. |
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