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Post by jbnewyork162 on Oct 8, 2009 9:29:27 GMT -5
............................Lebron's chances of coming here? I thought this was the dumbest suggestion possible but the more i heard it on ESPN and other talk radio outlets on the news, I began to wonder.
Do you think because of the recent off the field actions and altercation between one of Lebron's associates and Braylon Edwards and the fact he got traded to the NY Jets yesterday, will have any impact on him coming to Knicks?
Both were at the time, on Cleveland teams, and not less than a week of having a very public backlash from the all-star himself does Edwards get traded to NY.
So, the general talk today is that Lebron would not like to be associated in the biggest city in the United states with someone who he cant stand because of an off the field/court issue, possibly this being a factor of him re-signing with Cleveland next summer.
As dumb as it sounds, let's debate. The question is do you think this is either a dumb suggestion or a valid concern being that Lebron is like a state treasure in Ohio and could want him and his entourage to stay clear of NY because of this.
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Post by jbaer10314 on Oct 8, 2009 13:25:44 GMT -5
Personally, I'm more concerned about this season's Knicks. Besides, if LBJ chooses not to come here when the moment of truth arrives, we'll never know the real reason why.
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 8, 2009 17:35:19 GMT -5
I don't think it will have any effect. I think whether LeBron signs with the Knicks will be about two things, the first is money, both contract and endorsements, and that means more visibility and more press. The second thing will be about winning. If he doesn't come because of Braylon Edwards, then lets face it, we don't want him, because in the long run it's a petty item involving another sport that just happens to have a team in New York(Jersey).
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Oct 8, 2009 17:41:26 GMT -5
I agree 100% with you Iron. If you think some of the reasons of why he might NOT come here, I would hope it would have nothing to do with, a player in another sport. However, healthy debate on the unexpected in NY sports, which this is either a non issue or something Lebron would think about later, as dumb as it sounds, I figured I bring it up to see if anyone on any side of the coin's view here had an opinion.
Thank Jbaer and Iron so far.
-Jason
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Post by pearl on Oct 8, 2009 17:48:56 GMT -5
JB:
I think the Edwards trade HAS NO affect on LeBron's goals. He will have more scrutiny to deal with in NY than Edwards. I do believe he will be here next season.
Pearl
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 8, 2009 18:45:09 GMT -5
I think a lot may depend on his mindset as to whether the Cavaliers win a championship this year. That could go either way.........unfulfulled mission, or new horizon. Personally, I don't think Cleveland is a favorite to win, so I hope his mindset is "New Horizon". The Cavaliers only have a small window of opportunity to win the ring with Ilgauskas fading and Shaq on the downside too. The supporting cast is reasonable but not great, so I think for the Cavaliers it is this year or never. Shaq will either put them over the top or mess them up completely. My bet is on the latter. David Lee outplayed Shaq last year, head to head. That is a good indicator to me of where Shaq is now.
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Post by greatgates on Oct 8, 2009 18:49:31 GMT -5
In Cleveland they are only so many spots for African American athletes ( and their posses) to hang out. There are planty of spots in NY. this won't be a deciding factor either way.
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Post by greatgates on Oct 8, 2009 18:51:13 GMT -5
I think a lot may depend on his mindset as to whether the Cavaliers win a championship this year. That could go either way.........unfulfulled mission, or new horizon. Personally, I don't think Cleveland is a favorite to win, so I hope his mindset is "New Horizon". The Cavaliers only have a small window of opportunity to win the ring with Ilgauskas fading and Shaq on the downside too. The supporting cast is reasonable but not great, so I think for the Cavaliers it is this year or never. Shaq will either put them over the top or mess them up completely. My bet is on the latter. David Lee outplayed Shaq last year, head to head. That is a good indicator to me of where Shaq is now. Iron do you ( or anyone else) feel Lebron is more or less likely to leave depending on whether the cavs win a title? |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Oct 8, 2009 19:08:18 GMT -5
Better poll question Gates. And yes I think if the Cavs dont win or get close to the finals like getting knocked out in the second round or something he is done with Cleveland point blank.
-Jason
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Post by dk7th on Oct 8, 2009 19:18:54 GMT -5
I think a lot may depend on his mindset as to whether the Cavaliers win a championship this year. That could go either way.........unfulfulled mission, or new horizon. Personally, I don't think Cleveland is a favorite to win, so I hope his mindset is "New Horizon". The Cavaliers only have a small window of opportunity to win the ring with Ilgauskas fading and Shaq on the downside too. The supporting cast is reasonable but not great, so I think for the Cavaliers it is this year or never. Shaq will either put them over the top or mess them up completely. My bet is on the latter. David Lee outplayed Shaq last year, head to head. That is a good indicator to me of where Shaq is now. Iron do you ( or anyone else) feel Lebron is more or less likely to leave depending on whether the cavs win a title? the cavs are not going to win the title. the reason is that lebron cannot be effective with a low post big man, especially one as large and as glacial as shaq. this is the new era nba. low post play is at odds with slashers and finishers. the cavs have a huge problem if they think that shaq and lebron can co-exist in the same line-up. better to let ilgauskas start and make shaquille dominate over bench players while lebron and ilgauskas rest. if you limit shaq to 20-24 minutes a game the opponent is going to have to give in at some point. shaq and lebron's respective games cancel each other out. they're also in trouble because west is a head case. i love the kid's game but he is a head case nonetheless. brown has to show some modicum of common sense and basketball iq and make the adjustment i outlined here early on in the season-- or the cavs will fail in the post-season. if they do the sensible thing they have a chance to wear opponents out in a seven-game series. but if brown shows that he lacks a strategist's moxie-- so far he certainly has based upon his terrible coaching against the magic-- then knick fans can thank him because lebron will come to new york to a much better situation that will fully actualize his skills as a facilitator with no need for low-post players. |
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Post by jbaer10314 on Oct 8, 2009 21:38:10 GMT -5
<< brown has to show some modicum of common sense and basketball iq and make the adjustment i outlined here early on in the season-- or the cavs will fail in the post-season. if they do the sensible thing they have a chance to wear opponents out in a seven-game series.
but if brown shows that he lacks a strategist's moxie-- so far he certainly has based upon his terrible coaching against the magic-- then knick fans can thank him because lebron will come to new york to a much better situation that will fully actualize his skills as a facilitator with no need for low-post players. >>
Here's a question for you guys: would we have this discussion if the Cavs went up against someone OTHER than the Magic in the ECF? What if they took on the Celtics instead, and won handily over a team without its biggest star (namely, Kevin Garnett)? Would we be so quick to decide the Cavs don't have the weapons to win a title? It just so happened they ran into a buzzsaw after sweeping through the first two rounds. Yes, they lost to the Magic in embarrassing fashion, but it was still one team. We can't say they would've sucked against someone else just because the Magic handed the Cavs' rear ends back to them. The panic about the current personnel, bringing Shaq to Cleveland, and now all this scrutiny of LBJ's every move from us Knick fans--these are ALL knee-jerk reactions.
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Post by ironman95 on Oct 8, 2009 21:55:00 GMT -5
I actually think he leaves Cleveland either way, GG. Win the title, job done time to move on. Not win the title, team is over the hill, capped out, time to move on. Everyone knows the Knicks play in Madison Square Garden, what is the name of the Cavaliers arena anyway? He's leaving, will he come to New York? Probably, but no guarantee. The Knicks need to show him that they are ready for him like say winning 40 games.
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Post by kgooglog on Oct 11, 2009 9:43:09 GMT -5
I would bet the house on LeBron coming here, no matter what happens with another athlete from another sport signing here or not. James is very connected to the Yankees and is a New York sports fan, by his own admission.
In my opinion, the Cavs will not be better this year than they were last year, as they failed miserably in getting Trevor Ariza or Ron Artest, both of whom would have made the Cavs a much better unit than the big oaf, who, as Ironman said, was clearly out-played by David Lee. Cleveland's hugest problem is at PG, and the fact that all of their cast is aging out of the NBA. Their GM also screwed up the team's ability to sign another elite FA, despite having tons of cap-room.
The Knicks have a young core of extremely versatile, yet obviously unproven talent. Most every player who will be retained has another 10 years of NBA tread left, and in the cases of Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, possibly 15 years. NY will have the most cap space of any NBA team next year, and, if Donnie Walsh can swing a Jared Jeffries deal or Blue Whale buyout, Lebron will have his second elite FA join him in his new home.
Cleveland may be where Lebron's personal heart lies. However, this guy is no fool, and he wants to be the biggest hero the NBA has ever seen. What better way to do this than to come to a storied franchise and lead a team to multiple championships? This cannot and will not happen in Cleveland.
To think that Toney Douglas will be the only Knick making a sacrifice when The King arrives, and that will be in numeral number.
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