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Post by ironman95 on Aug 11, 2009 15:29:18 GMT -5
The revolving door continues to turn as Troy Hudson is coming to town Thursday to work out for Donnie and Mikie. Who's Next? Brevin Knight?
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Post by irish2u2 on Aug 11, 2009 17:24:55 GMT -5
Troy Hudson? If I want a smallish, shoot first PG who plays like a SG then I keep Nate. ; )
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Post by whensly on Aug 11, 2009 19:26:48 GMT -5
whatever happened to the Other Spanish kid Cabezas?
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Aug 11, 2009 22:57:29 GMT -5
See Irish this is why i stated I am not happy right now with Walsh.
Most misunderstood as if I wanted him to make rash Zeke like decisions. Uh uh. But who exactly is going to be our squad WHEN/IF Lebron or Bosh or whomever get here. Any two big superstars are going to A) eat up ALL of our cap for 2010 and no cap for barely any cap room for 2011 free agents, B) is going to also have us have at most if we don't trade Curry or Jeffries by next summer(which can happen perhaps but bare with me) to go with only Hill, Douglas, Chandler, Gallinari for a total of 8 if you include TWO top free agents.
So with no pick and the possibility of Washed up ex decent/halfway decent players like the topic starter Troy Hudson, and the previously discussed Jamal Tinsley, and old man stackhouse being shopped yet the bi annual Von Wafer(who did great in Houston as McGrady's backup) and the 3 mil Hakim Warrick who goes to no man land aka Milwaukee, and the good Chris Wilcox who signed for peanuts with the Pistons and Ariza signed for the mid-level and was the reason the Lakers made it as far as they did being the X-factor(anyone watching the playoffs with a brain knows that) and finally Artest who for all his crazy antics is nothing more than Anthony Mason in a smaller Kobe/Jordan esque package but would made us at least able at a discounted price to alleviate the strain of losing chandler if thats what it takes to get rid of Jeffries or Curry.
Steve Nash and Kidd resigned. Joe Johnson about to be resigned. Roy resigned. Bosh has more security. Paul IS New Orleans. Deron could be had in 2 years. Melo might be had in that time. Bron and Bosh could be had. Other than that we need depth and I feel bad Walsh is looking at loser and at minimum OFFER the qualifying to Lee and Nate. What don't you know now that you don't know in a few weeks when camp starts and shortly after the preseason. Nate and Lee have no insurance to play a pickup game without the threat of injury and then not even NY would want them.
This isn't just a gut reaction and Walsh could and might prove me wrong but losers that Walsh is pursuing now just to save a buck, that we would have never even looked even if Zeke were here makes me upset while Sessions at even a portion of the mid-level at 4 mil would not stop Lebron from coming here. Duhon is not it. There are deals we all know on the table with Washington or Chicago or Houston that are not being made.
This turd from the T-wolves, in Hudson, is all of a sudden the cheap addition we need? We're talking about one year deals aside from Sessions that can't get done. Give me a break.
-Jason
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Post by greatgates on Aug 12, 2009 16:23:31 GMT -5
See Irish this is why i stated I am not happy right now with Walsh. Most misunderstood as if I wanted him to make rash Zeke like decisions. Uh uh. But who exactly is going to be our squad WHEN/IF Lebron or Bosh or whomever get here. Any two big superstars are going to A) eat up ALL of our cap for 2010 and no cap for barely any cap room for 2011 free agents, B) is going to also have us have at most if we don't trade Curry or Jeffries by next summer(which can happen perhaps but bare with me) to go with only Hill, Douglas, Chandler, Gallinari for a total of 8 if you include TWO top free agents. So with no pick and the possibility of Washed up ex decent/halfway decent players like the topic starter Troy Hudson, and the previously discussed Jamal Tinsley, and old man stackhouse being shopped yet the bi annual Von Wafer(who did great in Houston as McGrady's backup) and the 3 mil Hakim Warrick who goes to no man land aka Milwaukee, and the good Chris Wilcox who signed for peanuts with the Pistons and Ariza signed for the mid-level and was the reason the Lakers made it as far as they did being the X-factor(anyone watching the playoffs with a brain knows that) and finally Artest who for all his crazy antics is nothing more than Anthony Mason in a smaller Kobe/Jordan esque package but would made us at least able at a discounted price to alleviate the strain of losing chandler if thats what it takes to get rid of Jeffries or Curry. Steve Nash and Kidd resigned. Joe Johnson about to be resigned. Roy resigned. Bosh has more security. Paul IS New Orleans. Deron could be had in 2 years. Melo might be had in that time. Bron and Bosh could be had. Other than that we need depth and I feel bad Walsh is looking at loser and at minimum OFFER the qualifying to Lee and Nate. What don't you know now that you don't know in a few weeks when camp starts and shortly after the preseason. Nate and Lee have no insurance to play a pickup game without the threat of injury and then not even NY would want them. This isn't just a gut reaction and Walsh could and might prove me wrong but losers that Walsh is pursuing now just to save a buck, that we would have never even looked even if Zeke were here makes me upset while Sessions at even a portion of the mid-level at 4 mil would not stop Lebron from coming here. Duhon is not it. There are deals we all know on the table with Washington or Chicago or Houston that are not being made. This turd from the T-wolves, in Hudson, is all of a sudden the cheap addition we need? We're talking about one year deals aside from Sessions that can't get done. Give me a break. -Jason patience my brother. modern NBA ball is all about the most bang for the least buck. Zeke and Laydown were all about the least bang for the most buck. When hudson was hot he made eddie house look like ron cavenall. I don't care who they bring in to look at; they can bring in calvin murphy just don't longterm overpay any more for guys. If they get sessions for 4 mil instead of 6 mil that affects the cap for years to come. |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Aug 12, 2009 20:57:53 GMT -5
Gates I've got 9 yearss worth of patience and I havent given up on Waalsh nor are nowhere close but it is alarming that you hear he waiting for David Lee's market value, when in a month there is training camp and a few weeks after that the preseason.
David Lee AND Nate are the elite players left on the market so what value are you looking for exactly? No team but the Griz have cap space and they are waiting for 2010 as well.
You know what? I guess it doesnt matter who is on our team next year but I have a hard time rooting for a Tinsley or a hudson because they are not progress to me just as hard as it is to root for Q when he was here or Jared WHILE he is here.
Now what just bothers me is how do you sign TWO elite free agents and have only 8 guys under contract if you include Curry or Jeffries and no pick next year except for the second round(Balkman deal)? Who fills out the rest of the roster and with what money lets say we DO get Bosh AND Lebron with 35-40 mil under the cap?
We are talking about 4 million for Sessions and instead of giving it Duhon the year before who isnt worth it, sure would have been nice if we could have a young core at all positions.
Doesnt everyone realize we havent had a franchise point guard drafted or worth free agent money in years. The Clippers dont even need sessions and they are close to signing him just to add assets. That team doesn't have a plan but at least they have young guys like Gordon, Blake griffin and maybe sessions, so when the love affair with Baron and Kaman and all those expensive contracts end the youth movement will look better.
I just want a better point guard situation in NY and only Douglas inspires me which is too much of a burden for the rook to carry. So appreciate Walsh's restraint to not make rash Zeke like decisions but passing up on better options than Duhon even for one year doesnt however well with me at all.
Guess I am in the minority on this subject(no pun intended).
-Jason
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Post by ironman95 on Aug 12, 2009 21:45:21 GMT -5
Of all the alleged point guards the Knicks have paraded in, so far, and not considering Rubio, the only one that I think would actually be of value in a couple of ways is Jason Williams aka White Chocolate. He would push Duhon, fit the system, and possibly teach Douglas a thing or two. All the others, I have very little use for. A ONE year contract for Jason Williams assuming he looked decent in his workout and still has some skills left, makes some sense to me. My other point I'd like to make right now is that I am not sure drafting Toney Douglas was the best move at that point in time. I think the Knicks missed the boat there and should have taken Chase Budinger. I think Budinger will prove to be the better player albeit at a different position and with a different skill set. If Morris Almond makes the team, and actually contributes, no big deal, as he was actually a higher selection, but I have a feeling the Budinger will turn out to be a pretty good player, and Houston if they find a center and with TMac coming back may actually cause some trouble in the West. I hope they see a need for a center and take Eddy off of our hands. My favorite player in this year's draft after Griffin was Tyreke Evans, too bad we couldn't get him. At 30, Douglas may work out, but I would have taken Budinger. If I do that, then I definitely have to find a "rent a point guard" such as Williams. Maybe they think Douglas is good enough to not have to do that now. I have my doubts. We shall see.
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Post by irish2u2 on Aug 12, 2009 23:52:27 GMT -5
Some great points. As usual.  This thread reminds me of the poster that was popular in the 70's that showed two vultures sitting in a tree and one says to the other, "Patience my ass. I'm gonna kill something. " So what would we have Walsh do? His options were limited to begin with and then the news comes that the cap may be 7 million LESS next year than this year. That's a huge factor and why we are being so cautious. Sessions has some promise. So does Duhon. I like what Toney Douglas may be able to bring to the club and maybe that is why Walsh is slow peddling through the PGs. Maybe he has his guy and all he wants is to give him some experience. Maybe the big plan is still Rubio which might explain why we are in no hurry to sign Lee or Nate who might wind up as components in a Rubio trade. Walsh has to be cautious and he has to hope that Chandler and Gallinari do develop into stars, Darko plays better than he has shown, Eddy Curry is in shape to be traded and either he signs Lee and Nate to one year deals, signs and trades them, or gets one or both at fair market value. BTW, fair market value has not been determined yet as neither Lee nor Nate has gotten an offer from anybody else. That is what determines fair market value and that is why this has dragged out so long. Right now my educated guess is sign Lee and Nate for one year. Develop what we have and deal with next year when it happens. Right now it is all guesswork based on the skimpiest of facts but next summer we will know what the cap is, we will know whether LeBron is in play, we will have a better idea of what to do with Lee, Nate, Curry and Jefferies, we will have a much clearer picture of the talent of Gallinari, Chandler, Darko, etc. and we will be making decisions based on facts and not conjecture. In other words it's all good. |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Aug 14, 2009 13:59:09 GMT -5
We have alot of chips if we sign N8 and Lee to one year deals and Curry improves along with Jeffries if we move all these pieces we sit pretty with I'm sure a pick out of those guys and two signs,Lebron and Wade.We can't sign Sessions to screw that up.
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