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Post by pearl on Jul 30, 2009 8:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 31, 2009 0:17:38 GMT -5
It hurts to watch the game the way it was supposed to be played and the way it is played now. The Celtics, Spurs and Lakers come closer to that Old School Ethos but the rest of the league is all flash, cash and style over substance.
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Post by pearl on Jul 31, 2009 5:34:02 GMT -5
Irish:
The more that I view the 1970's basketball, I am noticing greater court spacing, more fluidity and better passing back in the day.
Not to say the top teams today don't pass well or move the ball, maybe because the players are so much taller, quicker and more athletic now, but it appears the openess in the court is almost gone now.
Pearl
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Post by dk7th on Jul 31, 2009 11:58:15 GMT -5
if you look at my man walt frazier he is doing all the little things that get you wins: steals, offensive rebounds, drawing fouls as the shot clock winds down gets inbounds passes by keeping himself between the defender and the ball; he also keeps his head up and can dribble with either hand. god he was great.
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Post by pearl on Jul 31, 2009 13:13:25 GMT -5
DK:
Clyde was amazing and so clutch. Do you know the Phil Chenier story in the playoffs?
Pearl
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Post by dk7th on Jul 31, 2009 13:19:00 GMT -5
you mean the one about the slap or punch that didn't get called and then frazier killing chenier? yes-- but i'd like to hear you recount it anyway.
also look how beautifully elvin hayes moved-- i don't know why he isn't remembered as well as other players from the era. and look how physically courageous debuscherre was. he was like a tight end over the middle knowing he was going to get hit.
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Post by garyd on Jul 31, 2009 13:25:32 GMT -5
Agree with that but the one area of the game has improved in is uniforms. I remember those swinmming suit like pants and the job it did on ones thighs. Although it helped in football I had thighs like oak trees and those pants did some damage. LOL Gary |
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Post by pearl on Jul 31, 2009 13:51:04 GMT -5
DK:
You know your NBA history. The only two things I will add to the Clyde-Chenier incident, was I called Clyde while he was a guest on the Art Russ Jr. radio show, years after the game. I asked Clyde if anyone on the Knick bench said anything to him once the timeout was called. I though Reed, Lucas or Debusschere might be saving a nasty pick for Chenier. Clyde said "No" and I mentioned how how Clyde scored 8 out of the 9 next baskets and Clyde in his emminently cool way said " Those points were coming anyway, because the game was on the line". Vintage Clyde.
Secondly, Earl Monroe said on the MSG Vault Knicks 1973 show, after that Chenier incident " Clyde tore Chenier apart". Earl was right. Clyde never lifted a hand towards Chenier, he simply destroyed him in the last remaining minutes of the game.
Pearl
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 31, 2009 17:48:56 GMT -5
What stands out to me is the defense, and despite the title Knicks always being the best or close to the best, most of the vintage teams played hard-nosed defense that has now been taken away courtesy of the innumerable rule changes that were designed to make the game faster and not beseiged by free throws. Also, when you see the Knicks PF, Dave DeBusschere, taking the ball from rebounding, going coast to coast, and either passing the ball in order to set up that long-range jumper (Did Lee ever hit one of those in his career?) or driving for the hard foul, you wonder what happened to the fundementals of the pro game?
Excellent point about spacing, Pearl. Equally amazing at the ball-handling of all the players--Monroe or Frazier bringing up the ball, setting up plays, and boarding. I think that Clyde is often overlooked as a rebounder, and he was one of the best rebounding guards of the time.
Dk, when you say Clyde always kept his head up, that is exactly what plagues many of the PGs today. Also, although many of us laugh at Clyde saying this, it is true. Frazier rarely picked up his dribble which allowed for his team to continually run around for positioning. Bill Bradley was a player I recall who never stopped moving without the ball. No wonder so many calls are made for 3 second violations nowadays! Players park their asses in the pain, or on one of the corners, and rarely move. This was impossible back in the 70s since you were a sitting duck who would never have even got a "look" from your PG, let alone a shot off.
Despite the obvious enhanced athleticism of today's players, I grew up watching the game the way it was meant to be played. I will always be a Knicks fan for how ever long the Lord has me in his plan, but I could watch my guys play over and over, and just keep admiring the intelligence displayed on the court by most of the NBA players of the time, not only the Knicks.
Thanks Pearl for sharing these treasures with us...
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 31, 2009 19:21:33 GMT -5
You could cheat on defense those days,the game is more exciting now without the hand check rule the game was more controlled on the defensive side,I like this era,this year playoff I was in Vegas at Madelinebay and the screen there is eneromous and we had Lebron on this big screen ,that series and the la series with the nuggets was as exciting as you ever saw,the Cavs series was great,basketball will get better now that we made freshman stay so you don't have high schoolers but in general basketball is more exciting now or equal,defintely not less exciting as the past,I love our future it's so bright I have to wear shades,when I saw Lebron in the series I could imagine him in NY,he really doesn't have a great team there.Gallo,Chandler ,Lebron is a good core.I really feel like he's coming here.Lebron 2010 or Bust.
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