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Post by garyd on Jul 25, 2009 8:31:42 GMT -5
David Lee is upset because the Knicks aren't negotiating with him after his efforts for them. But Walsh and the Knicks cant do that until they see whats is being offered to him, which in todays economy is questionable. No team will leave money on the table this year. So David is the man without a country, or at least a team right now.
The rumor that just wont go away is Boozer to the Knicks for Lee. To me its an upgrade because of Boozers inside presence and better defense David is a solid player with great work ethics and its difficult to just kiss that off. But Boozer is even more solid and has a better overall game,
What does this do to the Knicks Jordan Hill? Well Hill was the Arizona center and plays well with his back to the basket. He can hit that spin and fall-back shot consistently and he can rebound and help block in the key.
Would I trade Lee for Boozer? As a knicks fan I would say absolutely.
Gary
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 25, 2009 8:38:05 GMT -5
I would trade Lee for Boozer too. It's a talent upgrade and it would make DA my best friend. ; )
I just don't see it happening. The Jazz already have Paul Millsap so why would they want a similar player like Lee especially given their investment in Millsap?
Also the Jazz have our unprotected first round draft pick next year. I don't see the Jazz doing anything to improve us as a team and hurt their chances of getting a lottery pick.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 25, 2009 10:49:16 GMT -5
I would trade Lee for Boozer too. It's a talent upgrade and it would make DA my best friend. ; ) I just don't see it happening. The Jazz already have Paul Millsap so why would they want a similar player like Lee especially given their investment in Millsap? Also the Jazz have our unprotected first round draft pick next year. I don't see the Jazz doing anything to improve us as a team and hurt their chances of getting a lottery pick. Bill... You know where I stand with the Boozer for Lee plus Mobley contract proposition, which I spoke about yesterday. Boozer is literally killing the Jazz with his contracts and, frankly, I think the Knicks will be a playoff team this year, with or without Boozer on their roster. If NY trades a resigned Lee and the Mobley contract to Utah, the financial savings may be a consideration to this fiscally responsible franchise, which, due to the owner's death, is in fiscal disarray. Is a #16 or better first round pick worth what Utah may end up saving by getting David Lee and an 80% insured $9,000,000 contract? Howard Beck of The NY Times also says that there is no way Utah deals Boozer to New York due to the unprotected pick, too. So do many other fans and conventional thinking. But, and I preface this with a big BUT, Utah is not looking to take back any long term contracts, want short deals, and we have the Mobley contractual chip. Plus, the rumors of this possible trade are not going away ; ) If Utah does agree to deal Boozer to NY, this also is a huge lure for 2010 FAs as well. I see your point about the Millsap signing probably taking David Lee out of the picture, but we, as well as Utah, need to remember that players like Matt Harpring and Andrei Kirilenko are chronically injured. I see David Lee actually being a valuable, yet rather inexpensive addition to a Utah team who may be drooling to get rid of Boozer's huge contract. |
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Post by garyd on Jul 25, 2009 12:14:29 GMT -5
I would trade Lee for Boozer too. It's a talent upgrade and it would make DA my best friend. ; ) I just don't see it happening. The Jazz already have Paul Millsap so why would they want a similar player like Lee especially given their investment in Millsap? Also the Jazz have our unprotected first round draft pick next year. I don't see the Jazz doing anything to improve us as a team and hurt their chances of getting a lottery pick. Maybe so but this news comes from a Utah newspaper. With Boozer and Milsap they also have 2 players of the same ability as well. The trade to Chicago appears to be out since Utahs potential trade partner in Portland landed Andre Miller and Hinrich is no longer a need there. That leaves Lee as still a possibility and Portland could go to a 2 PF system at times with their half court offense. Wiith or without Boozer the Knicks should improve to about 40 wins and thats a mid to lower first round pick anyway. Gary |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 25, 2009 13:16:17 GMT -5
I would trade Lee for Boozer too. It's a talent upgrade and it would make DA my best friend. ; ) I just don't see it happening. The Jazz already have Paul Millsap so why would they want a similar player like Lee especially given their investment in Millsap? Also the Jazz have our unprotected first round draft pick next year. I don't see the Jazz doing anything to improve us as a team and hurt their chances of getting a lottery pick. Maybe so but this news comes from a Utah newspaper. With Boozer and Milsap they also have 2 players of the same ability as well. The trade to Chicago appears to be out since Utahs potential trade partner in Portland landed Andre Miller and Hinrich is no longer a need there. That leaves Lee as still a possibility and Portland could go to a 2 PF system at times with their half court offense. Wiith or without Boozer the Knicks should improve to about 40 wins and thats a mid to lower first round pick anyway. Gary Read the newspaper especially the part where the writer calls Lee a "good defender". ; ) www.deseretnews.com/article/70531....-David-Lee.html |
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Post by daglazer on Jul 25, 2009 16:14:53 GMT -5
Maybe so but this news comes from a Utah newspaper. With Boozer and Milsap they also have 2 players of the same ability as well. The trade to Chicago appears to be out since Utahs potential trade partner in Portland landed Andre Miller and Hinrich is no longer a need there. That leaves Lee as still a possibility and Portland could go to a 2 PF system at times with their half court offense. Wiith or without Boozer the Knicks should improve to about 40 wins and thats a mid to lower first round pick anyway. Gary Read the newspaper especially the part where the writer calls Lee a "good defender". ; ) www.deseretnews.com/article/70531....-David-Lee.htmlBill, the writer did not say he was a good defender, only that he had a rep for being a solid defender. If Utah believes that, then maybe we get Boozer and I am one happy Knicks fan. |
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 25, 2009 16:18:22 GMT -5
I read a few of the Jazz' fan reactions to this proposed deal. Believe it or not, more than a few are hoping this trade does go through, as Lee's reputation is that of a cooperative, versatile, hustling, hard-worker. In addition, there is talk amongst Jazz followers surrounding trading Kirolenko for a shooting guard, and that Lee would make the team more cohesive up front. They also point to Lee being younger than Boozer...
The proponents of the trade say that management has decided to acquire the "best" player out there for a sign and trade, which, in this case, is David Lee.
Conversely, there are many fans who, despite saying Boozer is the better player, will simply slack off based on the millions of dollars he will earn this year, whereas Lee will play his ass off every night. Needless to say, Utah fans consider NY to be one of the worst teams in the NBA and, frankly, they have had a relatively stable team for how long now?
Detractors of the trade point to what Bill says about Dave and Millsap essentially being the same player. They also feel that Utah could do much better than David, but that management is quite impatient as it relates to hanging onto Boozer. Obviously, Utah is moving in a different direction, if they do make the deal.
New York becomes a serious threat, IMHO, if we do get Boozer, and acquire Ramon Sessions. Couple these two moves with the increased reliance on our young core, which, by adding J-Hill, Toney Douglas, and Darko Milicic now means that Utah's "Knick" pick really will lose its value. More importantly, this 2009-10 team becames much more attractive for 2010's horde of free agents--we also will have Boozer's "Bird rights" and can resign him for more $$$ in the summer of splurge...
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 28, 2009 15:56:30 GMT -5
I just read a short blurb on HoopsHype regarding Utah's Matt Harpring who, although has not officially announced his retirement, basically admitted that his recent surgeries have rendered him unable to run, let alone play NBA basketball.
Harpring is an expiring contract this season, yet makes over $6,000,000 this season. Couple this figure with Carlos Boozer's $12,000,000 and I think you'll see where I am going with this. The Jazz, unlike many teams, while extremely cap conscious, also want players who can play. I am unfamiliar with many of the Utah players but it appears as if they are not a very deep team. Harpring will essentially earn his salary and not playing.
I have worked out a trade based on the recent David Lee for Carlos Boozer rumors and have come up with what I think is a pretty awesome package for both teams. Needless to say, it works under the salary cap guidelines and please note that since Lee is not signed, I used Darko Milicic's $7.5 million dollar salary;
NY trades David Lee, Jared Jeffries, Chris Hunter, and Joe Crawford to Utah.
Utah trades Carlos Boozer and Matt Harpring to New York.
Utah has over $18,000,000 tied up in Boozer, who they want to trade and in Harpring, who simply cannot play due to injuries. In acquiring David Lee (at the salary of $7.5 million), they get a player with whom they can pair up with Millsap who, although is often compared to as a "Lee-like" player, is a player who they can also use with Paul, or if Utah goes small, Lee be their five. Okur doesn't appear to have a back-up five, which brings Chris Hunter into play. He give them a legit young pivot. I don't know much about Utah's back-court situation, so I just threw in Joe Crawford.
Jarred Jeffries, IMHO, is a Jazz type of player. He is still young, he is in good physical shape, can defend 4 positions, has versatility, and is a body who can replace the injured Harpring. Basically, I figured the Jazz can simply waive Hunter and Crawford if they wanted to, but I used them because they made the crux of the trade work...
NY gets rid of the dreaded Jeffries' contract for 2010, which is he main benefit to the Knicks besides getting Boozer.
Sometimes a man needs a dream...
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 28, 2009 19:17:34 GMT -5
If we do get Boozer I would want to trade him and the first person I call is Riley and ask for Beasley,although I think they would of done allready they might change their mind when Wade threaten to leave.Aftewr reading about Beasley I don't knoe if Thomas og Chicago might be a better fit and if we give them Boozer we might be able to extra a 1st plus Thomas vs just Thomas for Dlee
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 29, 2009 13:09:22 GMT -5
Rene...
I think Tyrus would actually be a better fit with NY than Boozer, and probably that's where David Lee would end up going. Ty's contract is a third of what Carlos' is and, if we do have Lard in the middle, Boozer and he would clog the entire paint area.
Tyrus Thomas does everthing Eddy Curry can't do, which is block shots and rebound. Even though Boozer is, IMO, a better player than Lee, I think that Ty's upside is unlimited, if he can accept coaching, which I think he can. Vinnie Del Negro is a pain in the ass, which is probably 1/2 the reason Thomas is frustrated with Chicago.
Tyrus is 23 years old, Lee is 26, and Boozer is 28. The Knicks are a young team and Thomas just fits in with the crew we have...
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 29, 2009 14:50:59 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% Kenny,Ty starting to look better by the second,we need defense and that's what he brings which DLee didn't.
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Post by whensly on Jul 29, 2009 22:29:30 GMT -5
I take boozer or Lee over Ty Thomas.
Boozer is a player who is proven,
Lee a player who brings more than anyone every expected,
Ty Thomas..another player who has yet to live up to expectations or help his team win
and he's been on a talented team.
Tim Thomas, Eddie Curry, Big Snax James,Marbury, J Jeffries, Jalen Rose, are all players brought in by Zeke with huge upsides
the common denominator is none rose to the occasion.
Ty Thomas, wow what an athlete, we might have drafted him had Zeke not given away all those lotto picks.
I'll stick with D Lee.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 29, 2009 23:51:34 GMT -5
I take boozer or Lee over Ty Thomas. Boozer is a player who is proven, Lee a player who brings more than anyone every expected, Ty Thomas..another player who has yet to live up to expectations or help his team win and he's been on a talented team. Tim Thomas, Eddie Curry, Big Snax James,Marbury, J Jeffries, Jalen Rose, are all players brought in by Zeke with huge upsides the common denominator is none rose to the occasion. Ty Thomas, wow what an athlete, we might have drafted him had Zeke not given away all those lotto picks. I'll stick with D Lee. Mouse... How has Tyrus Thomas not lived up to expectations? Here's a guy who is all of 23 years old and brings all the elements to the PF position that David Lee is unable to do. This guy plays excellent defense, is one of the most aggressive guys at the position with the ball, hits the mid-range shot with consistency, is a prolific shot blocker, and is freakishly athletic. As much as I like David Lee, his game, IMHO, will actually suffer with the move back to PF. Lee actually becomes a liability as he can't consistently his a 12 foot jumper which is a "must" in the position, he has little to no post game to speak of, plays porous defense, is not a shot-blocker, and lacks the quickness of other 4s in the league. While Dave is young at 26, Tyrus is even younger at 23, and Thomas' game continues to develop. To be honest, I think Lee has hit his ceiling as a player, and to expect him to come close to posting last season's numbers at a new position, is unrealistic. I have always defended Dave's defense, as an example, predicated on the fact that he played the center position, but, when I think of it more and more, I think he will be in for a rude awakening when it comes to defending the PFs of the NBA like Carlos Boozer, Pao Gasol, Tim Duncan, Chris Bosh, LeBron James, and the countless others who have what Lee doesn't possess with regard to shooting, speed, and strength. Lee is a hustling, hard-working, relentless player who has everything you want in terms of attitude, coach-ability, and community-mindedness. However, when it comes to winning basketball games and the way the Knicks team seems to be shaping up in terms of its core, I see either Boozer or Thomas as huge upgrades in terms of natural ability. Considering the unknowns of what Darko Milicic, Saer Sene, or even Eddy Curry can or will bring to the Knicks pivot spot, NY needs a lot from the 4 spot. I fear that Dave is not going to be able to give the team what it needs from that position. |
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Post by pearl on Aug 7, 2009 17:11:27 GMT -5
I am beginning to think Boozer to NY is a strong possibility. Walsh has remained very solid, not tipping his hand and not rushing into deals, even with Nate and Lee. Boozer represents a major upgrade at pf and as much as I like Lee, if he needs to go in such a deal, let's get it done.
Next, and possibly in February, should Curry shows something in pre-season and during the first half of the year, since he doesn't fit into D'Antoni's style, let's get Curry out of here. I don't believe our first rounder can really play the 5, so if Milicik doesn't fit in, the Knicks need to acquire an agile, passing type Center.
Let's watch for Walsh's next move. It probably will be a block-buster.
Pearl
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Post by daglazer on Aug 7, 2009 20:37:21 GMT -5
Naturally, I would love to get Boozer in here. Carlos can play.
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