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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 24, 2009 20:33:53 GMT -5
First....... I know the difference between Bill and ken, i just for some reason replied quickly to the original post thinking that Ken was the original author.
With that said............I like the idea of turning David Lee into Tyrus Thomas and david lee would love to reunite with his old college buddy Joakim Noah and reignite the frontline of old for Chicago but............................................................
............the deal we always talk about usually never gets done if maybe by accident usually. Ken and I(the real one not the supposed one i made up earlier,lol) spoke about this earlier and to me you have to know Hinrich and probably noah is what they REALLY are trying to offer us because the management in chicago only try to offer us the least resistence to them anyway.
I would still like to see if a three way involving Utah could still happen. also does anyone have houston's number as mobley is taking up a roster spot. And speaking of the Rockets we are reportedly taking a look at our old summer league attendee Von Wafer which is amusing to me considering he played alright when Tmac virtually was a no show and noww he comes full circle to the team who gave him a shot at probably a bargain rate.
-Jason
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Post by greatgates on Jul 24, 2009 22:46:29 GMT -5
Gates Take a wildly athletic player who is still growing his skills and that low basketball IQ and surround him with smart coaches and teammates and what do you get? Dennis Rodman. ; ) That would be nice. But if his teammates aren't too smart ( think US  ) then you get Stromile |
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Post by greatgates on Jul 24, 2009 22:52:05 GMT -5
I am down with Tyrus. You can put him next to fatso or anyone to make up for the D. I was impressed with his 12 ft shot he hit consistently in the playoffs. Kid has a chip on his shoulder as well. With him and Darko, the refs better hide their wives and daughters.  You know, Ax, now that you mention Darko, our diamond in the rough who does play defense, who does block shots, and who does board paired with Tyrus, I just do not see the opposition walking through the middle doing lay-up drills. Even without Ty, we have to give Walsh credit for getting a true pivot in Milicic for Q-Tip. I think that between Darko, Sene, Gallo, and, for argument's sake, Lee, we have a pretty nice front-court. Toss in Wilson Chandler, a big SG, who defends, blocks, boards, draws double-teams, steals, and one of our, as of yet, undetermined PGs, we have the makings of a much better squad than last year. Who knows? Maybe we get something out of Eddy Curry as well. Ken I love you man. To say a frontcourt is strong and praising Sene and DARKO as two of the reasons is amazing. darko did lose his job to Gasol ( mark not Pau ) darko was part of the reason the grizzzzzzz wanted that big stiff from Uconn. Now i'm glad we signed darko but for us to win that fat f*ck Edie better play well |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 25, 2009 9:36:51 GMT -5
Gates
Ken loves everybody. ; ) I feed on that kind of optimisim and I do think Darko could be a surprise for us. Considering we got him for Q I love the cost/benefit ratio on him. ; )
Your point on Tyrus Thomas is excellent. He could be the next incarnation of Stromile Swift. Just keep in mind Glenn Davis, Brandon Bass and Anthony Randolph are all LSU alumni too and they all are pretty smart players.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 26, 2009 12:43:07 GMT -5
Gates Ken loves everybody. ; ) I feed on that kind of optimisim and I do think Darko could be a surprise for us. Considering we got him for Q I love the cost/benefit ratio on him. ; ) Your point on Tyrus Thomas is excellent. He could be the next incarnation of Stromile Swift. Just keep in mind Glenn Davis, Brandon Bass and Anthony Randolph are all LSU alumni too and they all are pretty smart players. Actually, Bill is right! I do love everybody! My newest "love" is Von Wafer, and I already have him in a Knicks uniform, despite the latest report of 'lil Nate coming back for his one year, $5,000,000 contract. I think I am going to start a Von Wafer Fan Club on this board, and we can all express our admiration of his name. Just saying it, makes me smile. Von Wafer. Even DA agrees with me that Walsh should sign him to the vet's minimum based on his name. Well, DA actually didn't say those words, but he agreed that Von Wafer is a pretty cool name. |
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Post by ironman95 on Jul 26, 2009 18:13:39 GMT -5
I think everything is a smoke-screen by Donnie Walsh, from Kidd, Nash, G. Hill, Sessions etc. to the delays in signing Nate and Lee. I think Donnie is just trying to keep the Knicks in the news and interest up while he still tries to negotiate a deal for Rubio. That is his target, and the reason for no action so far. It looks like Nate and Lee will be signed to one year deals soon, but other than that, I expect nothing to be done until Rubio extricates himself from Joventut and decides on whether he will play for the Timberwolves or demand an trade. Once the buyout(of Joventut) is out of the way he will have more leverage to use on the Wolves. I think Donnie is holding out hopes of Rubio and thus is just stringing us along, not unlike all the board members with their proposed deals. Donnie wants Rubio and Rubio seems to want New York. All other deals will not happen until then. Will it happen? Who knows! I have my doubts about all the stars aligning themselves, for it to happen. I am not holding my breath on it going down On another note about the summer league. Our team was weak, but Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas looked reasonably good, although both need work, which they will hopefully get. I liked what I saw of Morris Almond, that dude can shoot. I hope the Knicks keep him. By my reconing there are 3 spots open(when Mobley goes). I was not impressed with Sene, and I think Tskitishvili showed more. He can play some defense and @ 7 foot can shoot the trey, which would possibly be useful in certain situations. Crawford and Carter were marginally decent, don't think they should be on the team. Don't know why Ewing Jr. didn't play at all. Does anyone know why? Assuming no trades, I keep the core twelve plus Almond and Tskitishvili, and one other, at this point in time. I see no need for Von Wafer, I think Almond is a better and cheaper option. I think it would be better to sign David Lee first, before Nate, as giving Nate 5mil opens the door for criticism as to Lee not getting a lot more, as he is a starter and smarter player. I would already have Lee under contract, were I the GM. I would structure a proposal the gives Lee a lot this year........say 8mil, 6mil in 2010 and then escalates back up from there to say 9mil and 11mil, over 4 years. That leaves room for 2010 and keeps everyone happy. If we deal Lee to Utah for Boozer, I hope it is a blockbuster that gets us the 2010 pick back as well. In the long run, I think the center position is still the Knicks weakest position, and in 2010 Jerome Jordan and Cole Aldrich will both be in that draft. I think the Houston deal of Curry and Mobley for T-Mac is a no-brainer from the Knicks side, but not sure I would do it if I was the Houston GM. I'd want to see Eddy play some first. Nate and Jeffries, or Jeffries and Mobley for anybody with a 1 year contract is also a no-brainer. Linus Kleiza is contemplating playing in Europe. I would be talking to Denver about him. I haven't weighed in, in awhile, so those are my thoughts so far this off-season. Re-signing David Lee would/should not be the problem had Isiah not created the ridiculous Curry and Jeffries contracts. I think, in conclusion that this Knicks team can be competitive(35 plus wins), if Darko, Gallinari, and Douglas learn enough to contribute. They should all get enough minutes, not sure that Jordan Hill will however, as the team is currently constituted. Even with Chandler slotted in as the 2-guard, there is still a crowd up front, with Curry, Darko DLee, Harrington, Gallinari maybe Jeffries(I hope not) all slated to get minutes. I hope somehow Hill gets to play, but I am not optimistic that he will. Curry has to play, if in any kind of shape, just to rid ourselves of him, same may be true of Jeffries. The coach will have to decide which is more important, getting rid of the two contracts, or developing the youngsters. It will be hard to do both. That is a tough position to be in. He was actually lucky last year, that Eddy never played, and he could give out the minutes to others. I still can't be optimistic until at least one of those albatrosses(contracts of Curry and/or Jeffries) is gone.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 26, 2009 19:27:18 GMT -5
Iron
I agree that Walsh is really pursuing Rubio. The latest rumors he will sign with Real Madrid seems like a coordinated smokescreen except we are not allowed to tamper.
If we could get rid of Jefferies and replace him with Tskitishvili I'd take it but I doubt that happens. I do like Morris Almond though and hope he makes the club. Patrick Ewing, Jr. missed summer league play recovering from leg surgery he had this spring.
I am doubtful Utah deals with us at all but I'm willing to bet the ranch they won't give back the draft pick and Boozer. That is unless Isiah Thomas got a gig with the Jazz in which case I am taking my ranch off the betting market. ; ) I think we trade Curry this year but I suspect you are right that he will have to actually play some games and prove himself to get dealt. Unless Ernie Grunfeld has a man crush on Jared he stays a Knick.
We gotta use that Mobley contract. That is NBA gold especially this season with the financial issues in the league and the cap going down 7 million next season.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 26, 2009 19:43:47 GMT -5
Iron...
Excellent post and I think you bring up so many valid points that it would take me a few days to respond to what you did bring up.
Insofar as our RFAs are concerned, it seems as if Nate is already signed, for Walsh does not want to continue the destructive ways of Zeke, Layden, and even Grunfeld. Checketts outbid himself on Allan Houston, when Houston's first deal expired, and paid over $100,000,000 for a player who never even received an offer nearing $50,000,000. This was were poor management began, IMHO, and when you have an owner who was as uninvolved as Dolan was and still is, it's like giving candy to a baby...
One thing about Mike D'Antoni I do like, is the fact that he does play his rookies, unlike his predecessors. I think we will see much, much more of Gallo, Hill (since he may be playing center for the Knicks if David Lee remains a Knick), and I also think NY will use Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries when the situation warrants it. I think Jeffries is a known player, who showed towards the end of last year that he had some veteran savvy, resiliency (coming back after his head was split open, which needed stitches), and a glimmer of an offensive game. More importantly, there is interest in Jared Jeffries now from Washington in terms of a straight up deal for Mike James. Also, the Sacramento deal was legitimately on the table last season--meaning Nate/Jeffries for the useless Kenny Thomas, but that deal would take Jeffries' deal off the cap. I think Nate's salary this year may be too high to consummate that deal unless the Kings add a rookie, cash, or a draft pick for 2010. My point is that I do think Jeffries will be gone.
Resigning Nate and ultimately David Lee to one year deals, was what Donnie Walsh wanted all along and what he will achieve. I do not think that David Lee's Knick career will be long, and that other teams veered away from him since NY had the power to outbid them. With Lee, and Robinson as well, once they are inked to reasonable deals--I think Lee will get $8 million for this year, both will be traded. Too much has already been written with respect to Lee for Boozer and Chicago wants David as well. Walsh will get cap relief if he makes a Nate/Jeffries or a Nate/Curry package, and will get a better PF or other positional player if Utah or Chicago are as interested in Dave as rumored.
Curry. Big man with a big contract. Houston's GM specifically requested to see Eddy Curry in Vegas. I think it is common knowledge that T-Mac is done as a player and Yao Ming is definitely done for this year. Eddy plus the 80% insured Mobley contract for T-Mac works, and Houston gets a 26 year old pivot with an offensive skill set, as well as conditioning problems which are being addressed. Houston gets substantial financial savings based on Mobley's deal. Considering that T-Mac earns the most money salary-wise in the NBA, the Rockets can obtain a young pivot with experience and around a $7,000,000 savings. For a player who is finished. I cannot believe that Houston would even have to think about this deal.
IMHO, PG is our weakest position, since Chris Duhon is, once again, our starter with Toney Douglas his only back-up. Perhaps Nate plays this position as well. I think that the combination of Darko Milicic, Saer Sene (who I know looked awful in Vegas, but he is an excellent defender and shot blocker), J-Hill, and Eddy Curry (for as long as we have him), gives us varied looks at the 5 spot.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 26, 2009 20:14:22 GMT -5
As an FYI: I registered on The NY Post as "VonWafer" so I can now carry my obsession with Von to new heights, and also put Mark Berman in his place. I already yelled at Fred Kerber regarding his silly notion that the Nets, with 15 guaranteed contracts, can actually even consider Hakim Warrick, or "Big Baby", for that matter.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 27, 2009 23:54:19 GMT -5
Kenny that trade sounds great to me I think I have given up on DLee for defense.I love defense and Lee doesn't play any.Thomas does.If we get rid of Jeffries in the process it would be awesome.I love that trade.DLee has a few things that don't fit in our system for one he can't shoot and second he can play dee.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 28, 2009 7:00:00 GMT -5
Excellent points, Rene. David is also not nearly as athletic as Ty, doesn't block shots, cannot hit the outside shot with any consistency, and his defense is not even respectable.
Lee is like a rich man's Danny Fortson who put up astronomical boarding numbers, but at the expense of playing defense. He is more versatile than Fortson was, but is not a 100% fit on this Knicks team.
I think Ty Thomas has an aggression about him that would make the Knicks a more ballsy team. I think that players like Chris Bosh would think twice about laughing at our team, with Tyrus giving him facials all day and all of the night!
Off-topic: I went to the West Village last night and got a great Dave Davies" Live CD "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" from his 1997 tours. He does all the great Kinks songs which were traditionally sung by his brother. I highly recommend it and if you want, I can burn a copy for you...E-mail at Kgooglog@aol.com with your address if you are interested!
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Aug 1, 2009 13:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by kgooglog on Aug 1, 2009 16:53:58 GMT -5
Thanks Rene! Sunny Afternoon live in 1972!
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Post by ironman95 on Aug 1, 2009 17:12:43 GMT -5
As far as T-Mac is concerned; he is quoted as saying he is in great shape and expects to be his old self with all his skills, ready to play for Houston this season. If true that might change the equation significantly.
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) then you get Stromile 
