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Post by mercury on Jul 17, 2009 16:37:12 GMT -5
Real Gm had a report that quotes Chris Paul as saying the cash straped Hornets might have to trade him for financial reasons. The Knicks should act quickly if this is true and acquire the leagues best point gaurd to run Dantonis system. Chris Paul is a top 5 superstar in this league.
Since the Hornets need cap relief the Knikcs are in the best positon to help them out. I have put together a trade on real gm that works. In total the Hornets will save 86,223,597 over the life of all the contracts. The Knicks will send Larry hughes at 13.6 million, Harrington at 10 million, Mobley 9.5 million with 80% insurance, and Duhon at 6 million. All of these contracts expire at years end.
In return the Knicks would recieve Tyson Chandler the perfect center for a Datoni squad. Chandler has 2 years left averaged at 12.3 million. Next is Stojavick, his shooting would also be great with the Knicks. His contract also has 2 years left averaged at 14.8 million. This all leads up to the main piece of the trade Chris Paul. He is signed to 2012/2013 season., He will average 16 million over the life of the contact, this is cheap for a player of his caliber.
Looking after the 2010/ 2011 season the Knikcs will actually lose a total of 46 million when the contracts of Curry and Jeffeies are added to the expiring contracts of Chandler and Stojavick.
For now the Knikcs could have a starting five of Chris Paul, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallonari, David Lee, and Tyson Chandler. Off the bench is Darko, Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, Morris Almond, Peja, Jared Jefferies, and even the slim and trim Eddy Curry. This trade would make the Knikcs players in the eastern conference.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 17, 2009 17:07:13 GMT -5
Merc
The trade works for us but what about the Hornets? We trade them virtually nothing and get back their best player and maybe their 3rd best player?
Trades have to benefit both teams. I think you are dead right about the Hornets needing fiscal relief but how much money would they lose if they trade away their best player who is the NBA's best PG? Chris Paul is the face of that franchise and still very, very young. If he is traded, especially traded for empty contracts, the fans won't go to Hornets games and a bad situation gets a whole lot worse.
Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler make a combined 26 million a year. Chandler has a player option next year he likely won't take and Paul's option comes up in 2012-13. The total value of both contracts, assuming Chandler doesn't opt out, is close to 70 million dollars.
An equitable deal would be Mobley's deal (9.5 million of which 7.6 million is paid for by insurance leaving NO with 1.9 million in actual payroll) and Al Harrington who makes 10 million this year. Harrington as our leading scorer puts immediate value on this trade that Larry Hughes would not. Additionally, if I were the Hornets GM, I would not even listen to a NY trade proposal if it didn't include any 2 of the 3 following Knick players. Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Jordan Hill. NY would have to throw in the 3 million max too. That means in rough figures the Hornets save some 54-55 million dollars and gain 2 excellent young players in return.
Good trades hurt. If we really want the best PG in the NBA the trade will hurt. I would personally hope the Hornets take the money, the expiring contracts and Chandler and Hill. Even if they got Gallinari it would be a great deal for the Knicks but keep in mind the cap situation would be dramatically different for the Knicks especially since they would have to re-sign David Lee.
In 2010 we would have Paul (15.2 million), Tyson Chandler (12.75 million), Lee (likely 10 million in this scenario), Gallinari *hopefully (3.3 million), and Toney Douglas (1.07 million) for a total of 42.3 million of a projected 50 million and change cap. Now if we can't trade Curry and Jefferies next season there is 18 million extra and we are over the cap. No free agents aside from a MLE. No draft pick. No shooting guards and little depth. Even if we can talk NO into taking Hughes instead of Harrington to be competitive we have to sign Harrington and likely Darko to deals in 2010 instead of LeBron because we have their Bird Rights and it's the only way to add talent. By overpaying for it again. Been there and done that only Paul is a legitimate NBA superstar so that is a considerable leg up. We also might have to retain Nate just for depth in the backcourt.
It all works if Gallo can play SG. ; )
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Post by whensly on Jul 17, 2009 17:15:19 GMT -5
If they are going to trade Paul they might as well just fold up the whole team. I don't buy that report for a second. meanwhile I would be interested in a trade for Ty Chandler! ( so the knicks could reunite him with Curry  .. |
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Post by pearl on Jul 17, 2009 20:29:59 GMT -5
Mercury:
As much as I would love New York to obtain CP3, I don't realistically believe he will be moved. I think the alienation the franchise would receive, would further set New Orleans back financially.
If CP3 were on the down side of is career, I could see a move being made to save $$$$. The exact opposite is the case here, a superstar, on the rise in his career. I believe moving CP3 would lead to further financial straits for their franchise.
Pearl
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 17, 2009 21:17:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah! Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry reunited again! Sounds like a remake of the old Peaches and Herb song. ; )
The plus side is Chandler has actually improved since he and Curry were drafted by the Bulls. The downside is Eddy hasn't improved.
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Post by whensly on Jul 18, 2009 1:16:40 GMT -5
In reality if curry just returned to pretty good form, the pair of chandler and curry does compliment each other.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 18, 2009 9:04:22 GMT -5
In reality if curry just returned to pretty good form, the pair of chandler and curry does compliment each other. Good point. That was Chicago's plan though originally they envisioned Chandler at PF and the two playing together. Curry's lack of progress and Chandler's penchant to get hurt stopped that experiment but in theory it was excellent especially both playing center in an offensive/defensive 12 fouls to give situation. You could have expected 30 points, 20 rebounds and 3 or 4 blocks a game eventually out of this tandem if Curry had stayed focused and Chandler stayed healthy. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 18, 2009 9:06:43 GMT -5
As a PostScript the owner of the Hornets stated they would never trade Chris Paul. Paul's original comments about getting traded had extra context not covered in the original story. He thinks he is the same as all his teammates and therefore like them he could get traded. Obviously Chris Paul is NOT like his teammates. ; ) He is the Hornets Franchise and therefore untouchable.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 19, 2009 15:03:01 GMT -5
Irish thats what i got out of the transcript as well however let's talk about another Hornets player we could look at. this could be where we trade David Lee and filler for instead of Boozer.
David West. allstar caliber forward that is underrated yet durable and is moore reliable than Amare to me. He can hit jumpers and play defense better than Boozer or Lee IMO.
This would require is to make a 3 for one deal that may or may not pan out for cap reasonss depending on what you sign and trade the foloowing players for.
The deal is David West(2 million dollars) and Tyson Chandler(12.25 mil) for Eddy Curry(10.5 mil), Jared Jeffries(6.46 mil), Mouhamed Sene and 3 million. David West's contract will expire in 2011 instead of 2010 like Curry and Jeffries however Tyson's deal is over in 2010. The deal matches up in realgm.com tracker and buy throwing in money this could intice the deal as the players that would come back to NO would replace their frontline given up at the same time giving them depth at C being that they have Hilton Armstrong too
Or you can replace Sene with a qualifying offer sign and traded Nate Robinson and the Hornets would be dumb not to take this deal and yes it still would be a even contract completed deal. So in actuality you have Nate, Jeffries and Curry and 3 mil to offset the grief on taking on Eddy for David West and Tyson Chandler with Devin Brown(SG filler who used to play on the Spurs for contract reasons).
Boom you have a ccap conscious and playoff ready incoming squad to gives depth(real depth) in the front court. Getting rid our two crippling tracts in one deal. Signing Almond to offset the guard loss of Nate. And even sign and trading David Lee for 6-7 mil with Renaldo Balkman's 1.36 mil trade exception(yes, we have that one and according to ESPN trade machine 4 others(Malik rose deal, Anthony Roberson deal, Mardy Collins and Q rich deals as well all have given us trade exceptions) for Javele Mcgee's expiring deal(next year RFA) and Mike James' expiring deal(next year UFA)
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I end with cap constructive deals that would have us with Chris Duhon, Toney Douglas, Devin Brown, Larry Hughes, Mike James, Wilson Chandler, Morris Almond, Al Harrington, Danilo Gallinari, Jordan Hill, David West, Tyson Chandler, Darko Mlicic, Javel McGee and Chris hunter. We'd have Gallo, David West, Toney Douglas, Jordan Hill Morris almod at a multi year basement bargain signing maybe and Javel Mcgee as a possible returning RFA to go with any signing we do in 2010 and any resigns at discount for Harrington or Duhon or any low cost second tier free agents in the next few years, as our returning players. Well under the cap and a good core and supporting cast for the next three years of free agent heaven.
Just bloggin.
-Jason
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 19, 2009 16:35:50 GMT -5
Jason
David West is signed at bargain basement rates. He makes less than what Lee wants but as you state does a lot more. I don't see where the Hornets would offer him. Instead they would swoon if someone took Peja and Chandler off their hands as that is 28 million of salary next year they don't ant to pay. The Hornets are looking to save money so Curry and Jefferies together doesn't work though one might with a young player and Mobley's contract. IF they were willing to trade West and as their second best player at bargain basement rates I think that is a very long shot.
I like JaVale McGee but I think we would have to overpay to get him. Instead I'd like to see what Curry and Darko can do and if they falter than Jordan Hill and Muhammad Sene get to show their stuff. Ironic that we go from no centers last year to four this year. ; )
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