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Post by whensly on Jul 16, 2009 7:34:45 GMT -5
Now that da Bulls have released him,
papers today quote Walsh as seriously considering
TT III.
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Post by pearl on Jul 16, 2009 7:39:10 GMT -5
Thomas knows D"Antoni's system and played well in it.
Pearl
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 16, 2009 9:56:58 GMT -5
In other related news, the Knicks are in serious discussions with Isiah Thomas, the former point guard of the Detroit Pistons.
If Tim Thomas ends up being the Knicks biggest off-season acquisition, the Greek "Knicks" with Nate Robinson and David Lee will be my new favorite team, a team which may be a little better than the New York one.
Tim "Freaking" Thomas. Maybe Walsh can just go full force with the Knicks vast array of ex- Thomas' and trade for Kurt Thomas?
BTW, does anyone know whatever happened to John Thomas, former first round draft pick of...yeah, the New York Knicks? He made Eddy Curry look like Stan Laurel.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 16, 2009 10:26:37 GMT -5
My thing is how many forwards do we need really when SG is our biggest need to date. Morris Almond might be that guy but ruin a roster spot unless Tim Thomas is going to replace Jared if he's traded or if David Lee is going to be traded. Its bad enough an absent Mobley is taking up a spot but to have Tim Thomas back and what cost? even at the vets minimum why?
I really dont have any clue as to why we want Tiny tim taking minutes from curry, Mlicic, Lee, Hill, Chandler, Harrington or Gallinari who all play the same position as Thomas can in one point or another.
-Jason
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 16, 2009 13:01:51 GMT -5
My thing is how many forwards do we need really when SG is our biggest need to date. Morris Almond might be that guy but ruin a roster spot unless Tim Thomas is going to replace Jared if he's traded or if David Lee is going to be traded. Its bad enough an absent Mobley is taking up a spot but to have Tim Thomas back and what cost? even at the vets minimum why? I really dont have any clue as to why we want Tiny tim taking minutes from curry, Mlicic, Lee, Hill, Chandler, Harrington or Gallinari who all play the same position as Thomas can in one point or another. -Jason Mobley's contract will definitely be traded this season, Jason. IMHO, it is our most valuable trading chip and if Donnie Walsh uses it in conjunction with Eddy Curry for T-Mac, or in acquiring Carlos Boozer, or in a deal which helps NY get rid of Jared Jeffries, I would be delighted. The only rationale I can think of for Walsh to be dangling the veteran exception for Tim Thomas is that David Lee will eventually be signed and traded for a non-forward or perhaps, in a deal involving Ricky Rubio. I have this gut feeling that there is no way Rubio will be playing for Minnesota and David Kahn finally has realized this. If Lee agrees to a Knick offer of say, for example, $6.5 million per year, Rubio can easily pay off his European team's buy-out and give him a bigger contract than the rookie scale. Thomas is a warm body with a pulse who, as Pearl said, functioned very well in Mike D'Antoni's system. I agree that on face value alone, going after Tim Thomas, makes little sense, unless NY has another deal in place. After reading a few newspapers, I really do not think Nate Robinson is going to go to Greece except for vacation, and this is just some sort of ploy by Robinson's selfish agents to get Walsh to overpay for a 6th or even 7th man. In the end, I say Robinson takes the one year qualifying offer from NY. In looking at David Lee's situation, I think Mark Bartlestein, Lee's agent, is truly undermining his client by the continued insistence of a $10-$12 million dollar per year contract from his home club. Walsh is in the driver's seat with both Lee and Robinson, as they can play in Egypt, but they will belong to NY in terms of their RFA status. I think Lee truly wants to remain with NY, perhaps even more than Nate. This stalemate may have more to do with David Lee not wanting to be part of a sign and trade than actually dollars. For this season, Wilson Chandler is slotted to be our starting SG, although Larry Hughes is not the SG you want as your primary reserve. Toney Douglas may be best suited for the PG position, and Nate may be best suited for a sign and trade, once he realizes that playing in the obscurity of Greece is not worth the opportunity of playing in the NBA. $2.9 million is well worth the price for Nate, IMO. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 16, 2009 13:44:48 GMT -5
Tim "Jason" Thomas? Again? Will his career never die? Is KTBlack chortling as I type? ; )
I agree with Ken. You take TT as a fit in the system if another deal is in place as a temporary replacement depth wise or as another contract to trade. Otherwise let the young guys play.
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Post by whensly on Jul 16, 2009 14:23:01 GMT -5
Tim Thomas is an outside shooter who once a year decides to show a bit more than
a spot up game.
He'd be fine as a 13th man, at a vet min but we lost 60 with and without him
I'd say move forward, but not this old sg in a PF body.
ps; Kenny, how could you rate Chandler as a SG,
and why do you say Tony Douglas is best suited as a PG?
Tony Douglas can't shoot, in the rookie league so I'd would never declare him a shooting-anything. Douglas is an aspiring PG who's shown he's not bad a running a rookie team, nothing more, yet.
Chandler is a SF.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 16, 2009 17:01:21 GMT -5
Tim "Jason" Thomas? Again? Will his career never die? Is KTBlack chortling as I type? ; ) I agree with Ken. You take TT as a fit in the system if another deal is in place as a temporary replacement depth wise or as another contract to trade. Otherwise let the young guys play. Bill... $1.9 million for the one year veteran's exception for Tim Thomas is not as ludicrous as it sounds, when many of us here are aware that Donnie Walsh is in the midst of a battle with our primary PF, David Lee, and his agent, Mark Bartlestein, who continues to market Dave as if he is Ron Artest. Speaking of Artest, perhaps Mr. Bartlestein can look at what Ron ended up signing for, as he should look at what Charlie Villanueva signed for, and what Shawn Marion ended up with. Rasheed Wallace? Perhaps Walsh has appointed KT as Knicks squad leader, for, according to the protocols, Stephon Marbury (PG God) will take his 3.8 PPG average to NY as well... Lord, how I DON'T miss those ridiculous rants ; ) |
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 16, 2009 17:25:14 GMT -5
Tim Thomas is an outside shooter who once a year decides to show a bit more than a spot up game. He'd be fine as a 13th man, at a vet min but we lost 60 with and without him I'd say move forward, but not this old sg in a PF body. ps; Kenny, how could you rate Chandler as a SG, and why do you say Tony Douglas is best suited as a PG? Tony Douglas can't shoot, in the rookie league so I'd would never declare him a shooting-anything. Douglas is an aspiring PG who's shown he's not bad a running a rookie team, nothing more, yet. Chandler is a SF. Mouse.... Wilson Chandler is slated to be our SG this year, according to Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. In the last couple of weeks of the past season, Chandler was the two and showed more than enough quickness, defensive ability, and slashing ala Sprewell, to have earned this nomination from the coaching staff. Wilson's main goals for this off-season were to improve his ball-handling and outside shooting. This isn't my opinion, but where D'Antoni expects WC to play. My opinion is that Will will not only "fit" as our off-guard, but excel at this position. I have never seen Toney Douglas play but from the Vegas box scores in which he had 11 assists in the first game, appears to have PG leadership skills. As to any other opinion I have of Douglas, I have simply relied on what others here and the media pundits have said about the player. One comment about Tim Thomas. Pearl said that Thomas knows the D'Antoni system and Tim, IMHO, played his best basketball ever in his second stint with NY. Although he is not a kid, Thomas is a smarter player who is an excellent shooter and an above average defender now. Since I see the possible signing of Tim Thomas as a prelude to a trade, I have no problem with Walsh signing him to a one year, vet's exception contract. Thomas can play both forward positions, handles the ball better than most 6'10 players on the open court, and is cheap. He is, IMO, an insurance policy or a temporary rental. |
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Post by whensly on Jul 16, 2009 19:06:35 GMT -5
Really I never heard the Chandler as a sg talk,
and having seen him play it seems like a misfit..then again
against some lineups it's a mismatch. I trust D Ant has more of a clue than I have
and perhaps if the team is in perpetual motion, players don't really need defined positons,
but they are not ALWAYS in perpetual mo.
On Douglas,..yeah he's a PG..if he can make it in the NBA is story that has yet to be written.
I didn't understand why anyone would confuse him for anything else.
Having seen parts of the first two games, he looks like a kid with a high basketball IQ but
unless he can keep em honest and score then he's toast. A lot of stories to be written
until then, we just don't know.
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Post by whensly on Jul 16, 2009 19:10:42 GMT -5
If Walsh is high on TT
then he's prolly not sold on Almond.
On TT's knowledge of the system,
well, he plays the same way in every system,
he sits in a barco lounger outside the arc
and launches tres. One or two days a year he looks
like the player his body and size promise but the rest of the time
he's Johnny Newman
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 16, 2009 22:48:31 GMT -5
Actually Wilson Chandler to SG is a pretty smart move. He has a decent handle, he'd be a mismatch size wise, he can shoot both from the 3 point line and off the dribble and he gets to the rim. He has to work more at all these aspects of the game but he's more than athletic enough to make the switch and he's a hard working, focused young man.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 17, 2009 3:47:33 GMT -5
All I can say is what I've read and heard of the Knicks plans for Wilson Chandler to be their starting SG. While WC needs work on his ball-handling and outside shooting, I agree with Bill's assessment that this is a kid who is willing to accept his "new" position and has the requisite skills to be an outstanding off-guard. This was and is the Knicks plan, from all that I've read and saw.
By transitioning Chandler to the 2, the Knicks, as currently constituted, can play Harrington as the SF and if David Lee eventually signs with NY or Walsh pulls off the Carlos Boozer trade in which Lee would be a part of according to what Ive heard, these players would fill the crucial PF position and eliminate what Gary once called the "bookend" forwards, meaning Chandler and Harrington playing the same position at in the front-court. If Boozer does come to NY, he is an immediate upgrade over David Lee in nearly every area. If Lee remains with NY, he settles back into his natural PF position, which would then permit Darko, Saer Sene, or Eddy Curry to be NY's true center.
A line-up which features Duhon, Chandler, Harrington/Gallo or Lee or even Boozer, and Milicic, is a far more lethal offensive team which, as you said, doesn't necessarily have to have positions detailed. I think we can all agree that NY cannot afford to give away 6 inches on the defensive end at center anymore. Darko/Sene/Curry/ Gallo solve this problem.
Chandler is one of the few Knicks who plays superb defense at either position, IMHO. At 6'8, and with the slashing ability, a ferocious first step, and sheer athleticism, Wilson would molest most two guards in the NBA. Chandler has an outside shot, but one which does not extend to the three point line. I envision him as being a smarter, larger, and more lethal player than Latrell Sprewell was when he was an SG/SF in the 1999 season. A major difference between Spree and Chandler, is in mindset and aggressively. Sprewell had these intangibles and parlayed it into huge success with NY. I think Wilson Chandler has all the tools necessary to be better.
In terms of Douglas and all of the Knicks, I completely agree with you that we have to wait and see with just about every player on the current roster. I can honestly say that Chandler is better than Larry Hughes as a starting off-guard. After that, it is a crap shoot with everyone on the team, and by training camp, we may not have 75% of the players who are on the roster today...
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 17, 2009 13:09:08 GMT -5
To expand on Ken's thoughts it seems like the Knicks situation is very clear on one side and murky on the other. We know Walsh wants cap room for next summer. That's the clear part. What he wants this year and to carry over to next season with his FA from next summer is very murky.
To me moving Chandler to SG was both to answer a need at the position and to move Wilson out of the way fro LeBron. If we don't get LeBron but do get Wade, Roy or Joe Johnson then Wilson slides back to SF. That seems smart to me. That part of the rotation issue is clear.
Up front and ultimately PG are the murky part. I am especially keen to see where Gallo plays.
All things will be known to those who show patience but it will be over a year before we know. That sucks!!! ; )
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 17, 2009 15:59:40 GMT -5
To expand on Ken's thoughts it seems like the Knicks situation is very clear on one side and murky on the other. We know Walsh wants cap room for next summer. That's the clear part. What he wants this year and to carry over to next season with his FA from next summer is very murky. To me moving Chandler to SG was both to answer a need at the position and to move Wilson out of the way fro LeBron. If we don't get LeBron but do get Wade, Roy or Joe Johnson then Wilson slides back to SF. That seems smart to me. That part of the rotation issue is clear. Up front and ultimately PG are the murky part. I am especially keen to see where Gallo plays. All things will be known to those who show patience but it will be over a year before we know. That sucks!!! ; ) "Murky" is an apt description of what is going on now with the Knicks summer. Now the organization has always been tight-lipped in discussing potential FAs, player salaries, and discussions with agents. However, as much as I say this we need to resign David Lee and Nate Robinson, I also cannot help but wonder why Donnie Walsh has his poker face on, while I am literally decompensating as I read the FA signings and trades to date. For Pete's sake, I know Walsh is a competent GM, and have some clue as to his plan, but having two vital pieces such as Lee and Robinson hanging by a thread is somewhat disconcerting. However, like you, Bill, I am extremely excited to see D'Antoni's plans for Danilo, who may end up being a multi-positional player and truly prove all of the naysayers wrong. I cannot wait to see Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas live and in concert either. It's the dark cloud that does hang over the pivot as well as the PG spot, which distresses me a wee bit... |
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