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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 11, 2009 17:53:32 GMT -5
I officially change my mind and am all for the trade with Duhon and signing to 7.6 per for three.Miller might be the perfect fit ti DAnt system on the fly and kicking out to Gallo for three.Miller has been durable and consistant player who can help us evolve.
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Post by greatgates on Jul 11, 2009 19:31:53 GMT -5
I officially change my mind and am all for the trade with Duhon and signing to 7.6 per for three.Miller might be the perfect fit ti DAnt system on the fly and kicking out to Gallo for three.Miller has been durable and consistant player who can help us evolve. I don't like that trade at all. Why mortgage cap room on a PG that can't shoot. |
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 12, 2009 6:13:37 GMT -5
Mike D'Antoni and Donnie Walsh adamantly deny that this trade is in the table, and the NY Times cited D'Anotoni as saying he had never heard of this proposed trade and saying "Why would that even happen?"
Apparently, the Philadelphia newspaper needed readers.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 12, 2009 10:43:41 GMT -5
I wonder who Dre's agent is?
Mark Bartlestein? ; )
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Post by greatgates on Jul 12, 2009 14:22:27 GMT -5
Mike D'Antoni and Donnie Walsh adamantly deny that this trade is in the table, and the NY Times cited D'Anotoni as saying he had never heard of this proposed trade and saying "Why would that even happen?" Apparently, the Philadelphia newspaper needed readers. The Knicks do not consider point guard Andre Miller worth a long-term deal that would cut into their cap space, and realize they can't get him for a one-year deal for the $5.8 million mid-level exception. Great news.
Here is a D'antoni quote from berman
"I don't see anyone we'd tie up our future for, but I could see a scenario for a one-year deal, overpay someone who fell through the cracks," D'Antoni said.[/color] The logic is excellent. Even if we didn't get LBJ or DWade the key is NOT to overpay for the next lower group of free agents (5yrs - 75 mil for a Boozer) Just sign short term deals and keep cap room as open as prudent.
BTW Berman's article with Dantoni is surprisingly good for berman.
www.nypost.com/seven/07122009/sports/knicks/cant_lure_2010_star_without_sidekick_178827.htm |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 13, 2009 15:32:41 GMT -5
Apparentlly the agents are the ones making these trades up because Miller hasn't got any offers yet when Hill turning us down it was a no brainer rumor.I still think we might offer him the MLE and he might jump at it to make a run at a contract he numbers will go up on a D Ant team IMO.He does add depth to our PG position but as was said by others until we see what we have with our draft pick I wouldn't jump at three years but the 3 yr contract with an 1yr team option sounds great to me because we can allways sign him and trade him if we increase his value after a year.Miller passing in the open floor would fit nice and we have Gallo as our main shooter so while we need more shooters if Andre is on board other might provide that role thereby not needing our point to knock down threes.N8 can come of the bench to give us threes from the point in a pinch.Andre would be a nice fit after further review.IMO
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 14, 2009 17:40:12 GMT -5
Rene...
Just as I have changed my mindset of Eddy Curry, I am against obtaining Andre Miller, unless we have a team option for the second year. Miller is the floor leader the Knicks really need, is a physically strong point who likes to post up against his defender, and is a durable player.
However, Andre Miller has a terrible FG percentage from the outside, which is one dynamic crucial to the D'Antoni system. He is also not a fast PG and prefers the slower game, which is exactly the opposite of how the Knicks play. While he is head and shoulders above Chris Duhon in nearly every area, he will cost us the valuable cap-space for 2010-11, although Donnie Walsh may be able to save in other areas by trading some of our expiring contracts.
If a Duhon for Miller trade is truly on the table, and now I have read that both player's respective agents want this deal to be consummated, I'd love it, providing Miller has that "team option" for next year. The issues that concern me are Andre's age and shooting, but with his court vision, leadership, and the fact that he is still a top 10 PG in the NBA, make me think that all Walsh has to is to include that "out" for next season...
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Post by dk7th on Jul 14, 2009 21:15:23 GMT -5
i'd much prefer to see steve nash as a knick for the next two seasons for any number of reasons, not the least of which is his ability to mentor both duhon and the rookie. plus nash would be the best shooter on the team along with gallinari, meaning that he could do double duty as a shooting guard and conserve energy as a spot-up shooter. i really wish for this to happen.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 15, 2009 2:51:09 GMT -5
i'd much prefer to see steve nash as a knick for the next two seasons for any number of reasons, not the least of which is his ability to mentor both duhon and the rookie. plus nash would be the best shooter on the team along with gallinari, meaning that he could do double duty as a shooting guard and conserve energy as a spot-up shooter. i really wish for this to happen. From what I read, Nash is a lock to resign with Phoenix, which was one of the major reasons cited as to why Grant Hill returned to the Valley of the Suns. Nash will also be commanding $10,000,000 for a two year extension, which, IMHO, is way too much for a 34 (?) year old guard. I'd prefer if we can somehow stick with a Duhon/Douglass/Nate rotation at the point position and not even waste money on these elderly PGs who will just suck off our 2010 cap. I only would do the Andre Miller for Chris Duhon deal as it is a simple trade which does substantially upgrade the PG position for New York. The lone problem I do have with this deal is that Miller wants a three year pact, which would compromise our cap-space for 2010-2011. However, the durable Miller would be a true PG who Douglas can spell, and may allow Nate to be traded with or without Jared Jeffries for a high draft pick next year. Then again, if Nate signs the qualifying one year offer, it is less than $3,000,000 for this year, still allows Donnie Walsh flexibility for a trade, and ensures that NY has an experienced back-up combo guard... |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 15, 2009 8:57:14 GMT -5
I'm still in the "pass" camp when it comes to Andre Miller. I don't think he gives us much more than what we have and in some areas even less. He's a good NBA player but he isn't a push it up the court type of PG. He likes the halfcourt game where his lack of quickness doesn't get exploited as much. In an uptempo game he can be exploited.
I wanted Nash next summer but I understand he is going for the money. As I posted with Nate, the NBA is a business so I have no problems with Nash taking the cash. It does leave a hole for us but there are now a lot of talented and mostly young PGs in the NBA. One will land in NYC if indeed we don't already have that guy in Toney Douglas.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 15, 2009 9:06:12 GMT -5
BTW, keep an eye on what happens with Ricky Rubio. I have a feeling a lot of what we hear now that it's between Minnesota and staying in Europe (reportedly Rubio is being courted by two other Euro teams) is a smokescreen. The kid wants to play in the NBA and he wants to play for a big market team. He has already expressed a interest or even a preference for New York because he knows he will get a lot of immediate PT and NYC is a stage that appeals to him.
Maybe Minnesota plays it cool and waits but the other factor is the fact that Minnesota's GM David Kahn is a protege and close friend to Donnie Walsh. ; ) Maybe this is like Kevin McHale dealing KG to his old team the Celtics or the Jerry West tie-in between the Lakers and Grizzlies in the Pau Gasol deal. ; ) It's worth observing because the Rubio Camp seemed adamant Minnesota was NOT an option. Maybe that changes.
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Post by whensly on Jul 16, 2009 19:00:10 GMT -5
it's not a trade
as you've all probably seen in the media Walsh is going to offer Miller 5.8 mil for one year
and see if philly matches.
Personally I'd love to oll the dice on Rubio if a trade is in the realm of possibility.
Miller seems like the wrong PG for "Mike''s runnin' D-Ants"
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 16, 2009 22:51:05 GMT -5
it's not a trade as you've all probably seen in the media Walsh is going to offer Miller 5.8 mil for one year and see if philly matches. Personally I'd love to oll the dice on Rubio if a trade is in the realm of possibility. Miller seems like the wrong PG for "Mike''s runnin' D-Ants" I agree though we could use Miller in that Rubio trade scenario. As a fit for the Knicks I'd pass but for 1 year it's not such a terrible move. Not a great or inspired move mind but not a nightmare deal either. The Rubio thing may be warming up.  |
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