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Post by pearl on Jul 10, 2009 7:04:40 GMT -5
I read this morning in the NY Daily News that the Knicks may be pursuing Andre Miller. SMART MOVE WASH!!!!!!!!!!!.
Miller is an outstanding, durable, tough point guard and is better than Kidd at this stage. He plays defense, can score on the low block and is a great opportunity for the Knicks.
Got get ANDRE!!.
Pearl
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 10, 2009 7:28:37 GMT -5
I read this morning in the NY Daily News that the Knicks may be pursuing Andre Miller. SMART MOVE WASH!!!!!!!!!!!. Miller is an outstanding, durable, tough point guard and is better than Kidd at this stage. He plays defense, can score on the low block and is a great opportunity for the Knicks. Got get ANDRE!!. Pearl Pearl... I was just about to post this NY Daily News report by Frank Isola, when I saw that you did your deadly crossover and slipped by my swiss cheese D... In a post I made a couple of days ago, I proposed doing a sign and trade for Andre Miller, thinking he was also a restricted free agent like David Lee and Nate Robinson. I am shocked to have read that this top 10 PG, who is durable, strong, and definitely an upgrade over any PG we have had in the past 20 or so years, is apparently slipping off of every other NBA teams radar. Now, I am distressed over Donnie Walsh' decision to recruit Grant Hill, for Miller would have been offered the full MLE for 3 years. Isola, who I have been critical of recently, does have legitimate source in the Knicks camp, and to have a player who last season averaged 16.3 points, 6.5 assists and 4.5 rebounds in all 82 games is, IMHO, a better signing than either Grant Hill or Jason Kidd. Even at age 33, he is in excellent physical shape and has not sustained injuries like Grant Hill, or is as old as Jason Kidd. Andre Miller is where NY should be looking at team improvement, and if I were Walsh, I would simply offer the veteran's minimum of $1.89 million to Hill or simply cut off discussions with Grant, who may simply return to Phoenix. Miller's lone shortcoming is his long-range shot, in which he hit 21% of his three point goals. However, he is a big PG, who likes to post up and muscle his man, and is one of those rare pure points who does make a team better. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 10, 2009 7:47:17 GMT -5
Ken
The thing is that Grant Hill is a Point Forward. You gain a lot of passing expertise with Grant Hill in the lineup and at best Andre Miller is a temporary solution. I like him a lot but the age, expense and lack of perimeter shooting still indicates to me if there will be a veteran PG on the Knicks it's going to be Steve Nash.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 10, 2009 7:56:22 GMT -5
I really hope that Hill turns down the Knicks deal, since landing a veteran, solid PG is Miller, solves a major positional problem for the Knicks. We can put Duhon into play, as well as Nate Robinson, and just gives Walsh more flexibility in making the right deals we need to clean up this team of the asinine contracts of Jared Jeffries and Eddy Curry.
The needs of the Knicks would change as we will not have this gaping hole at the point, and can focus LeBron and Bosh for the front-line 2010, and get rid of this losing culture as quickly as we can.
Knicks 2009-10
C-Darko/Sene
PF- Lee/Hill
SF- Gallinari/Chandler
SG-Chandler/Hughes
PG-Miller/Douglas
TRADE CHIPS:
Cuttino Mobley's 80% Insured Contract packaged with the Blue Whale for T-Mac's expiring Contract.
Nate Robinson (signed to a qualifying offer) and Jared Jeffries for Kenny Thomas' expiring Contract and the Kings First round Pick in 2010.
Chris Duhon for a 2011 Draft Pick.
Hangington for a 2011 Draft Pick
David Lee (signed to a qualifying offer--traded for an unprotected 2010 First Round Pick)
In Walsh I Trust.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 10, 2009 12:07:07 GMT -5
I'm not a big Miller fan,I'll pass on Miller to me it's Hill or bust.If the Hill deall falters which is in limbo 1:00pm friday,I wouls explore sign and trades with the key ingredient in mind to get someone that was drafted in the least two year this year and last thereby having a low impact on my cap numbers,Rubio,Bayless,Tyree alll fill this criteria.Let's get number ones and cap room instead of going for the short fix,Hill and Kidd provided leadership something Miller lacks,I would pass on any free agents if the hIll deal falls and explore sign and trades and trades Duhon ,Harrington,Hughes all should be shopped to dump Jeffries and Curry.
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Post by pearl on Jul 10, 2009 12:49:40 GMT -5
Rene:
I couldn't disagree more regarding Miller's leadership. He has proven throughout his career to be a true leader and Denver and Philly would not have gotten to the playoffs w/o him.
Pearl
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Post by whensly on Jul 10, 2009 16:05:44 GMT -5
We should be pushing for Rubio and working out Cabezas.
Ole'!
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 10, 2009 17:59:51 GMT -5
Ken The thing is that Grant Hill is a Point Forward. You gain a lot of passing expertise with Grant Hill in the lineup and at best Andre Miller is a temporary solution. I like him a lot but the age, expense and lack of perimeter shooting still indicates to me if there will be a veteran PG on the Knicks it's going to be Steve Nash. Bill... I suppose that since Grant Hill opted to stay in Phoenix, we cannot debate this issue with heart and soul. What I didn't particularly like about the Hill proposal was the option Donnie Walsh gave him which was the three years for $10,000,000. With both Kidd and Hill spurning NY, there is a message being sent throughout the NBA about our team, and I don't like it. Insofar as Hill being a point forward, he is that and a lot more. I think he would have been financially better of taking the 1 year and $5,000,000 offer plus he was reportedly offered a starting position with NY. Hill is an upgrade over Chris Duhon, but I have to say I am a bit relieved that he is off our list, as a three year deal is a bit much for a 36 year old who has missed more games over his career than Eddy Curry. This guy would have given NY professionalism, a passing SF, and other intangibles that go beyond mere words. I respectfully disagree with you about Andre Miller, who is a more potent player at age 33, who would supplant Duhon as a starting PG, a position where NY really needs help. I saw the potential for Grant to cut into Wilson Chandler's development as well as Gallo's growth, for Mike D'Antoni may opt to put Danilo at the SF position. With Harrington, Chandler, Gallo, Jordan Hill, and possibly David Lee, there is a glut at the forward slot. I also think that while not HOF material, if Walsh can sign Miller to the mid-level, we can expect a much better W-L record, which, considering we don't have a first round pick in a very good draft compared to this year's class, almost assures Utah of a lower pick, perhaps even in the high teens. It would kill me if the Knicks gave away John Wall to the Jazz. In terms of Nash coming to NY, I just don't think he'll accept an MLE deal. Conversely, Miller seems to have been shunned by many NBA teams who do need a PG. Is Nash younger than Miller? I know Steve has an outside shot, played for D'Antoni, and may be better suited than Andre Miller for the system. I just hope he doesn't "play" Walsh like Kidd did. |
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 10, 2009 18:49:01 GMT -5
I'm not a big Miller fan,I'll pass on Miller to me it's Hill or bust.If the Hill deall falters which is in limbo 1:00pm friday,I wouls explore sign and trades with the key ingredient in mind to get someone that was drafted in the least two year this year and last thereby having a low impact on my cap numbers,Rubio,Bayless,Tyree alll fill this criteria.Let's get number ones and cap room instead of going for the short fix,Hill and Kidd provided leadership something Miller lacks,I would pass on any free agents if the hIll deal falls and explore sign and trades and trades Duhon ,Harrington,Hughes all should be shopped to dump Jeffries and Curry. Rene... I think Andre Miller is a realistic player for NY which upgrades the problematic PG position--arguably NY's weakest position now. There is Chris Duhon and Toney Douglas, who, by the way, was signed to his rookie deal today. Jordan Hill was not signed, which symbolizes one of many things. I'm thinking Hill may be part of a sign and trade, Maybe Donnie Walsh has a David Lee sign and trade worked, or maybe it means nothing. Can Hill be traded this soon? I'm thinking it is a bit strange that the Knicks inked Douglas but have yet to sign their 8th pick. Perhaps to Minny for the rights to Rubio? Maybe the buy-out is too much for the Wolves and Walsh may have an insider's perspective? Maybe it is just a scheduling conflict and Newsday said that Hill would be under contract prior to the Vegas games... I do agree that the primary Knick focus must be to dump both Curry and Jeffries. I think that both of them plus the rookie Hill would match up to the T-Mac trade, and despite my hopes for this kid to be a Knicks, my hopes for Jeffries and Curry to not be on the team is greater. We must position ourselves for signing LeBron and Wade, as a minimum. Jeffries and Lard add up to nearly $18,000,000 in cap-space for 2010. That is enough for one of the two elite FAs. I think the most marketable asset we have is the Mobley contract, and that must be an enormous asset if Houston has phased out T-Mac as one would seem to think, with the Ariza signing. Curry may be a fat load of crap but he is a center and there are few left, if any on the FA market. Jeffries is what he is; a hard-working body with no skill except to guard players 6'5 and under. Nate is reportedly in Spain, engaging in some youth camp. I believe that Robinson is not in the position to bargain with anyone, and if Walsh signs him to the one year qualifying deal for just under $3,000,000, one can dangle him with Jeffries, and I do think that the Sacramento Kings Kenny Thomas for Nate/Jeffries and a conditional 2010 first rounder would be a trade Walsh would do. Worse comes to worse, NY keeps Nate for this year if Robinson accepts the QO. Hughes is with us until his deal falls of the books. No one wants this overpaid guard and Larry's deal, like Al Harrington's, is coming off the books this summer, anyway. Speaking of Al, he may have some value to a contending team who needs instant offense or an under-the-cap team who needs a 20 PPg, 7 RPG player. Harrington is a low IQ player, but one who consistently produces. Maybe he can be shipped off the the Rockets with Fatso, and the numbers work... Duhon is worthless, and no one will take him. He is an overpaid reserve guard on a 33 win team. Thank heavens, he is gone by the time next summer is here. |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 10, 2009 19:56:32 GMT -5
Kenny while Duhon is being somewhat overpayed he played better than expectation prior to breaking down because he played too much,I disagree he's worthless he's a real good point who can start in a pinch and is better than your normal backup IMO,he does everything well,and if we didn't over use him he might of ended up with a decent year,Peal I deffer to your wisdom on Miller leadership since you are Pearl LOL,I know he's a very good guard and my main problem with him is his salary and age,and I was never a big fan of his,I really haven't seen enough of his game to make that leadership call but from what I see he doesn't deserve 10 million per.
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