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Post by greatgates36 on Jun 21, 2022 15:57:11 GMT -5
Rumor mill links us to Brogdon, Brunson, Irving, Westbrook and the rookie Ivey. Costs would vary greatly both in salary and players traded. Prefereces? or just roll with IQ?
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Post by trendsetta on Jun 23, 2022 10:46:27 GMT -5
Rumor mill links us to Brogdon, Brunson, Irving, Westbrook and the rookie Ivey. Costs would vary greatly both in salary and players traded. Prefereces? or just roll with IQ? I'd love either Brogdon or Brunson with a slight edge to Brunson because he's a bit younger. Then again Brogdon is a potential 50/40/90 guy who distributes. And Brunson will occupy much of the same floor space as Randle, which is problematic. |
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Post by axios on Jun 23, 2022 13:00:23 GMT -5
I’ll take neither. Dump Randle, trade up for Ivey.
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Post by greatgates36 on Jun 24, 2022 5:54:46 GMT -5
I’ll take neither. Dump Randle, trade up for Ivey. Wanted Ivey but we had nothing to get him from Sac. And really no chance with Detroit. Cunningham and Ivey. Wow |
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Post by axios on Jun 24, 2022 7:45:28 GMT -5
This is terrible, we are going to break the bank for Brunsen, another player we could have just picked. Wake me up when Randle is gone.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 24, 2022 8:48:24 GMT -5
Obviously the Knicks are positioning themselves for Jalen Brunson and just as obvious was the strategic hiring of Jalen's Dad on the Knicks staff. Jalen is a good player (16 PPG, 5 APG, 50% from the field, 37% from the 3 point line and turns 26 in August) so while I'm disappointed a deal couldn't be struck to draft Ivey I'm not heartbroken either. Brunson is a huge improvement at PG for the Knicks.
Besides if the Knicks do sign Brunson the starting PG for Dallas might be Frank Ntilikina. 
Look past free agency. The Knicks are all in on Brunson but IMHO that is just part of the off season strategy. The Knicks have acquired a LOT of draft capital. They have cap friendly contracts. IMHO the Knicks are going to make a run for Donovan Mitchell or Bradley Beal. I am thinking Mitchell is more likely. He wants out of Utah and with Gobert also on the trading block young assets and draft picks can get the job done. If that is true say goodbye to Obi or IQ. Maybe both. I also think if the Knicks want to trade for a star it gets done before July 1st so they can go ahead and sign Mitchell Robinson to an extension.
Brunson and Mitchell create a whole different Knicks backcourt. A much better backcourt. I'm thinking Burks and Nerlens are gone. Maybe Fournier too but as long as the Knicks keep RJ and with a healthy Derrick Rose the prospects are much brighter. We know Grimes and McBride can play so they add backcourt depth. A forgotten possible asset is Cam Reddish who can play both forward positions.
The real key is Randle. The ball is out of his hands so he can concentrate on scoring and rebounding and a guy like Brunson gets everybody better looks. Mitchell becomes the Alpha scoring threat putting Randle as either the second option or better yet the third option behind Mitchell and an improving RJ Barrett.
That leads to the Knicks mystery guest Rokas Jokubaitis who has been dominant in the Spanish Liga League with Barcelona FC.
There are a lot of balls in the air for the Knicks and I'm not guaranteeing any of this gets done but it does seem likely the Knicks are headed in this direction. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Post by axios on Jun 24, 2022 9:13:52 GMT -5
Great points Bill. It is slightly ridiculous we need to hire people's Dad's to get them to sign with us, is that a loophole? Dont we have 6 FO presidents General managers, assistant to the assistant already working for us? Perry is a bum. If we never signed Kemba, Fournier and Nerlens we wouldnt have had to make cap room. Nothing we do makes sense and I see no plan other than one changing every year. Throw in a coach who will not develop youth, we will spinning our wheel picking 11-16 for the foreseeable future.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 24, 2022 9:30:03 GMT -5
Great points Bill. It is slightly ridiculous we need to hire people's Dad's to get them to sign with us, is that a loophole? Dont we have 6 FO presidents General managers, assistant to the assistant already working for us? Perry is a bum. If we never signed Kemba, Fournier and Nerlens we wouldnt have had to make cap room. Nothing we do makes sense and I see no plan other than one changing every year. Throw in a coach who will not develop youth, we will spinning our wheel picking 11-16 for the foreseeable future.
Rich Brunson is an ex-Knick, a local guy AND a pretty good coach who also happens to have a kid who plays some ball and is an unrestricted free agent. Sounds like a smart move by the Knicks who incidentally hired an ex player agent as their President.  If we have learned anything in the past few years it's the value of wing players, the ability to hit treys is paramount to everything else and networking builds champions.
Signing Nerlens, Evan and Kemba were all solid moves and Evan did break the Knicks 3 point record for the season. More important and always forgotten is that almost every deal Leon has signed is reasonable and has team friendly components. Note also the Knicks keep ACQUIRING draft picks rather than trading them all away. Be patient brother. The plan doesn't change as much per se as it just adapts to changing situations. Last year at this time Rich Brunson was an OK player and Donovan Mitchell was happy in Utah. |
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Post by axios on Jun 24, 2022 10:08:39 GMT -5
The Brunsen hiring was TIC from me. I like him and his son. Is he going to move the needle at 25MM? Randle, fournier and Noel I'll have to disagree with. I wanted to trade Randle during and after the season before, obvious to anyone, Fools Gold. Fournier and Noel, just cap eaters, terrible decisions. WE could have played the youth more and maybe you get the 5th pick. We just suck in every facet. The offseason for the Knicks, is the best time of the year for our fans, bc we can dream about getting a steal or making a trade. If they traded Randle, I would have been excited. So no pick at 11, okay, I get that, but Brunsen is the answer? maybe???
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Post by greatgates36 on Jun 24, 2022 14:37:50 GMT -5
Rumor mill links us to Brogdon, Brunson, Irving, Westbrook and the rookie Ivey. Costs would vary greatly .both in salary and players traded. Prefereces? or just roll with IQ? I'd love either Brogdon or Brunson with a slight edge to Brunson because he's a bit younger. Then again Brogdon is a potential 50/40/90 guy who distributes. And Brunson will occupy much of the same floor space as Randle, which is problematic. Not counting Ivey I prefer Brogdon. He's 6'5". But Brunson only would cost cash. Good player (& big props to you Trend) Brunson does struggle hitting the roll man on pick and rolls. But he is smart and tough. |
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Post by trendsetta on Jun 24, 2022 15:03:00 GMT -5
I'd love either Brogdon or Brunson with a slight edge to Brunson because he's a bit younger. Then again Brogdon is a potential 50/40/90 guy who distributes. And Brunson will occupy much of the same floor space as Randle, which is problematic. Not counting Ivey I prefer Brogdon. He's 6'5". But Brunson only would cost cash. Good player (& big props to you Trend) Brunson does struggle hitting the roll man on pick and rolls. But he is smart and tough. Me and Jason loved him coming at of Villanova. How awful to have taken Knox over either of the Bridges. Was that the last piece of crap decision from Mills? |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 25, 2022 8:55:51 GMT -5
Not counting Ivey I prefer Brogdon. He's 6'5". But Brunson only would cost cash. Good player (& big props to you Trend) Brunson does struggle hitting the roll man on pick and rolls. But he is smart and tough. Me and Jason loved him coming at of Villanova. How awful to have taken Knox over either of the Bridges. Was that the last piece of crap decision from Mills? I like Brogdon too but he is 4 years older and gets hurt. A lot. |
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Post by daglazer on Jun 25, 2022 17:27:57 GMT -5
Great points Bill. It is slightly ridiculous we need to hire people's Dad's to get them to sign with us, is that a loophole? Dont we have 6 FO presidents General managers, assistant to the assistant already working for us? Perry is a bum. If we never signed Kemba, Fournier and Nerlens we wouldnt have had to make cap room. Nothing we do makes sense and I see no plan other than one changing every year. Throw in a coach who will not develop youth, we will spinning our wheel picking 11-16 for the foreseeable future.
Not for nothing, Brunson was an assistant coach for Thibs at his prior stops. So, it is not just to sign Jalen, but to add a trusted assistant for Thibs.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 25, 2022 22:09:17 GMT -5
There seems to be some noise that the Spurs are shopping Dejounte Murray. I find it extremely hard to believe that a team as smart as San Antonio would shop their leading scorer and assist man and their second leading rebounder (21 PPG, 9.2 APG and 8.3 RPG) who is still just 25 years old. The cost includes, reportedly, three first round picks plus players. If true the Knicks have to explore this possibility. I like Brunson and at this point I'd even pay him 25 mil a year but Murray is a better player. He's more athletic. He's a better playmaker. He's a more dynamic scorer and his only real flaws are a slightly low 3 point shooting % and he misses some games. But he's a star. A bonafide YOUNG star player. Again I have no earthly clue why the Spurs would shop their best player but whatever the reason if he's available it's worth a phone call.
Back to Brunson. We talked about him late last season and my preference was either draft a PG or develop a PG already on the roster. I like Brunson and he seems like a clone of Fred Van Fleet which is a pretty good thing but Jalen didn't blow me over during the season. The playoffs kinda changed my mind about Brunson. He was the second best player on that Mavs team and clutch. What I really liked was his toughness. He isn't flashy but he gets the job done. The Knicks lost a lot of games last season in the second half especially when they could not execute their offense. Brunson fixes that problem and maybe the best part of signing Brunson is it's just money. I'm liking keeping the young core of RJ, Cam, Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride, Mitch and Sims together. Throw in Randle and Fournier with Brunson and we should be a playoff team again. Not a contender but better and the Knicks have plenty of trade material if a big deal does become available.
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Post by trendsetta on Jun 26, 2022 10:53:44 GMT -5
There seems to be some noise that the Spurs are shopping Dejounte Murray. I find it extremely hard to believe that a team as smart as San Antonio would shop their leading scorer and assist man and their second leading rebounder (21 PPG, 9.2 APG and 8.3 RPG) who is still just 25 years old. The cost includes, reportedly, three first round picks plus players. If true the Knicks have to explore this possibility. I like Brunson and at this point I'd even pay him 25 mil a year but Murray is a better player. He's more athletic. He's a better playmaker. He's a more dynamic scorer and his only real flaws are a slightly low 3 point shooting % and he misses some games. But he's a star. A bonafide YOUNG star player. Again I have no earthly clue why the Spurs would shop their best player but whatever the reason if he's available it's worth a phone call.
Back to Brunson. We talked about him late last season and my preference was either draft a PG or develop a PG already on the roster. I like Brunson and he seems like a clone of Fred Van Fleet which is a pretty good thing but Jalen didn't blow me over during the season. The playoffs kinda changed my mind about Brunson. He was the second best player on that Mavs team and clutch. What I really liked was his toughness. He isn't flashy but he gets the job done. The Knicks lost a lot of games last season in the second half especially when they could not execute their offense. Brunson fixes that problem and maybe the best part of signing Brunson is it's just money. I'm liking keeping the young core of RJ, Cam, Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride, Mitch and Sims together. Throw in Randle and Fournier with Brunson and we should be a playoff team again. Not a contender but better and the Knicks have plenty of trade material if a big deal does become available. Good post and I would add that it takes a certain mindset to play in NYC. I am certain Brunson possesses that mindset but as much as I like Murray i have to wonder whether he too possesses that mindset. Also with a legit point guard I wonder which backcourt players will be deemed attractive to other teams, since said backcourt players become expendable as trade assets. I ask because I kind of like all of them, but if I were to trade any of them I'd start with Rose, if he can in fact be traded in the first place. |
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If we have learned anything in the past few years it's the value of wing players, the ability to hit treys is paramount to everything else and networking builds champions. 