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Post by will1682 on Jun 25, 2009 23:29:15 GMT -5
Read these tibits on RealGM via Yahoo, Newsday, and Marca.com.
Word first broke that we were working on a deal for Rubio and one league GM cited that although not 100% certain, a deal was likely. Then an update that nothing is in the works and Minnesota is resisting interest from New York and pressure from Rubio's agent. Rubio's father then gave an interview after the draft and stated that Ricky is now likely to remain in Europe for 1-2 more years rather than signing with Minnesota, although the Wolves are said to be firm on retaining his rights.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 25, 2009 23:50:14 GMT -5
Makes for an interesting scenario and a tough decision by Minnesota. If we make the deal soon, and it has to be because after 48 or 72 hours there is either a 60 or 90 day waiting period, the Knicks should offer up the Mobley contract, Wilson Chandler and Jordan Hill for Rubio, Wayne Ellington and Brian Cardinal. I could live with that deal easily but Ellington is key. If we give up Hill and Chandler we get both Rubio and Ellington. They get monetary relief, a NBA starter at SF who can score, a nice power guy for their rotation of Jefferson, Love and Smith and very little egg on their face for selecting a guy who a) didn't want to play there and b) has options.
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 26, 2009 7:38:28 GMT -5
I just do not understand how a team can pick 2 PGs. I just do not understand how Ty Lawson's stock fell faster than Enron's. I do think Rubio may be a Knick, after all is said and done. I do understand that, if the Knicks "stay" with these picks of Hill and Douglas, that Lee and Nate are Knick history. I understand the Knicks making Hill their selection and frankly, Mitch Lawrence (NY Daily News and Knick hater) commended Donnie Walsh for taking the best player available at #8.
I still like the Darko-Q deal because it makes us thinner.
I don't understand why the OCT did what it did.
I don't understand why Rubio, who will pull a Steve Francis, is not a Knick. Yet.
I do understand that Donnie Walsh is a far smarter GM than me, and thank heavens for that.
Jrue Holiday? Was he even picked? Only kidding.
I do believe Tyreke Evans went higher than I thought.
I do believe Ricky "The Rifle" Rubio went lower than I thought.
I do not believe that Eddy Curry has lost 30 pounds.
I do believe that David Lee may actually remain a Knick in my heart of hearts.
I do not think Nate Robinson will be on NY come July 9th.
I do not think Jared Jeffries will be on NY come July 9th.
I think that the Shaq deal will do nothing for Cleveland in terms of the King's feelings about New York. Shaq will, however, make Cleveland a very tough post-season competitor and they gave up who to get the aging Hall of Fame pivot?
I am reminded of Brian Grant when I look at Jordan Hill.
I think Hill may actually be better than the boo-birds at the 'WAMU', who once again, embarrassed knowledgeable Knick fans and the player by acting like feral chickens.
I am somewhat relieved that Wilson Chandler is still a Knick.
I am somewhat perplexed about the Tony Douglass pick, only because I never heard of him.
I wonder if Nate Robinson owns a home in New York.
Knick most likely to be traded next. See above.
Knick most likely not to be traded. See Eddy Curry.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 26, 2009 14:53:59 GMT -5
Minnesota may have done a very smart thing in drafting Rubio and Flynn. They were looking for Tyreke Evans or James Harden and when both were gone by the #5 pick they took the best player available. Rubio. I'm always an advocate for that kind of thinking on draft day and in fact that is what we did with Hill.
By also taking Jonny Flynn the Wolves got their PG for now, and a very good one, and they got a big trading chip. Rubio will go back to Europe. He will call Minnesota's bluff if need be. Apparently Ricky Rubio wants to play in New York so it is looking good for us. We ahve a little leverage too.
A new GM doesn't want his first draft choice making millions in Europe and basically thumbing his nose at him. Rubio always had options and he was going to use them to end up where he wanted.
An interesting sidenote to all this is that David Kahn, the Wolves GM, is a former Donnie Walsh protege. How convenient. ; ) I feel strongly they will get a deal done and if it's Wilson Chandler straight up or a package involving Mobley's contract and Brian Cardinal plus Chandler I am ecstatic. If the trade involves Jordan Hill I am less happy. ; )
On Toney Douglas the story is he wowed the Knicks in his workout and that is when they started looking for a late first round pick. He averaged 21ppg for FSU in the ACC and was voted the conference's Defensive POY. He's smart, hard working, grounded in fundamentals and able to play both guard positions because he can shoot and he can score. He uses strength more than athleticism. In short he is a taller, less athletic version of Nate Robinson with better PG skills and better defense. Obviously he is unlikely to be the kind of scorer Nate is but he is also more mature and team oriented. A good choice though I had to be convinced of it this morning reading the NY papers. ; )
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Post by pearl on Jun 26, 2009 16:52:22 GMT -5
Will:
I believe the Knicks did well last night. Hill is athletic, tough, can rebound, score and defend. I don't want Lee traded, but it looks like Hill is his replacement.
Seems like Rubio may be heading back to Spain, if so, Walsh should jump on the telephone and work out a deal with Minnesota. Rubio is obvioulsy several years away from having an impact, yet with Rubio and Gallo, thats an exciting combo.
Looks like Walsh has the patience level to make a good impact. Douglass should help too and I'm certain he is Nate's replacement. I'd like to see if Darko has a game next year.
Pearl
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 26, 2009 18:19:38 GMT -5
Will: I believe the Knicks did well last night. Hill is athletic, tough, can rebound, score and defend. I don't want Lee traded, but it looks like Hill is his replacement. Seems like Rubio may be heading back to Spain, if so, Walsh should jump on the telephone and work out a deal with Minnesota. Rubio is obvioulsy several years away from having an impact, yet with Rubio and Gallo, thats an exciting combo. Looks like Walsh has the patience level to make a good impact. Douglass should help too and I'm certain he is Nate's replacement. I'd like to see if Darko has a game next year. Pearl Pearl... I think Bill is right about NY having leverage when it comes to acquiring Rubio. ESPN expressed that the Knicks best chance to acquire Ricky is through a sign and trade with either Nate or David Lee, which is a bit odd, since I thought July 9th was the only date we can start moving the two RFAs. If we cannot do a sign and trade with Lee or Robinson, I suppose Wilson Chandler straight up for Rubio may be the deal. I don't like this scenario, but Rubio is a special player who is the best PG I've seen in sometime, albeit a 9:57 highlight film on you tube. This kid is a pass first disrupter, who is a bit like Pistol Pete in appearance, but he has court vision like Clyde. I want Ricky here in NY, and I think Donnie Walsh and Rubio want the same thing. I wonder if this is a done deal--meaning the sign and trade, since the actual announcement of a deal can come on July 9th, but if all parties, and I am thinking Nate Robinson straight up for the Ruby, are on the same page, then we just have to wait it out. IMHO, Rubio will be in a Knicks uniform this year. We can add Jared Jeffries if we take back Brian Cardinal, but I am a bit baffled as to why we would want Cardinal? He has been in the NBA since 1948...Unless the sign and trade would need to include Cardinal, due to salary issues? |
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Post by will1682 on Jun 26, 2009 18:33:09 GMT -5
Will: I believe the Knicks did well last night. Hill is athletic, tough, can rebound, score and defend. I don't want Lee traded, but it looks like Hill is his replacement. Seems like Rubio may be heading back to Spain, if so, Walsh should jump on the telephone and work out a deal with Minnesota. Rubio is obvioulsy several years away from having an impact, yet with Rubio and Gallo, thats an exciting combo. Looks like Walsh has the patience level to make a good impact. Douglass should help too and I'm certain he is Nate's replacement. I'd like to see if Darko has a game next year. Pearl With David Kahn being Walsh's former protege that can only be good news for us. RealGM reported a half hour ago according to Marca.com that discussions for a possible trade are under way and also cites portential sign and trade deals with David Lee and Nate Robinson, which as we all know cannot take place until next month, if anything takes place at all. Marca.com says it can confirm negotitations but cannot independently verify. However, given the roller coaster reports since last night concerning Rubio's situation who knows what is valid and what isnt. I will say though when it comes to keeping things mysterious, Donnie Walsh is a classic. My bet is the two sides have indeed been talking since last night. By all indications it does appear that Hill is Lee's replacement. However I would be lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that is still hoping that David is retained. I am very much looking foward to seeing what Toney Douglas can bring to the team, and am intrigued with his defensive capabilities. Has Dantoni found his new Raja Bell with offensive skills? |
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Post by whensly on Jun 26, 2009 19:53:36 GMT -5
hope we land Rubio. We desperately need a PG of the future.
Heard D Ant on ESPN this morning they asked him about Rubio
and he replied.."we played against him in the Olympics and my best players
came to me and said, DAMN THAT GUY'S the real deal. I don't need more more convincing
than that" Mike D'Ant.
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Post by greatgates on Jun 26, 2009 20:02:33 GMT -5
Will: I believe the Knicks did well last night. Hill is athletic, tough, can rebound, score and defend. I don't want Lee traded, but it looks like Hill is his replacement. Seems like Rubio may be heading back to Spain, if so, Walsh should jump on the telephone and work out a deal with Minnesota. Rubio is obvioulsy several years away from having an impact, yet with Rubio and Gallo, thats an exciting combo. Looks like Walsh has the patience level to make a good impact. Douglass should help too and I'm certain he is Nate's replacement. I'd like to see if Darko has a game next year. Pearl With David Kahn being Walsh's former protege that can only be good news for us. RealGM reported a half hour ago according to Marca.com that discussions for a possible trade are under way and also cites portential sign and trade deals with David Lee and Nate Robinson, which as we all know cannot take place until next month, if anything takes place at all. Marca.com says it can confirm negotitations but cannot independently verify. However, given the roller coaster reports since last night concerning Rubio's situation who knows what is valid and what isnt. I will say though when it comes to keeping things mysterious, Donnie Walsh is a classic. My bet is the two sides have indeed been talking since last night. By all indications it does appear that Hill is Lee's replacement. However I would be lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that is still hoping that David is retained. I am very much looking foward to seeing what Toney Douglas can bring to the team, and am intrigued with his defensive capabilities. Has Dantoni found his new Raja Bell with offensive skills? |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 26, 2009 21:34:49 GMT -5
I agree with Gates that Minnesota doesn't need Lee and also I'm not sure Lee wants Minnesota.
I am hoping we can use Lee to leverage a good SG. I am thinking Rudy Fernandez of Portland (he and Rubio are friends too ; ) Maybe even Azubuike of Golden State with some sweetner like a 2010 1st round draft pick.
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Post by whensly on Jun 26, 2009 21:46:03 GMT -5
I think Wilson Chandler, perhaps an expiring tract like Mobley and a 2nd rounder might
be more enticing. Or a combo of Chandler / Nate-(sign-trade) + bringing in a marginal player they do not want.
Whatever you think of Nate, he's good box office.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 26, 2009 22:52:43 GMT -5
I think Wilson Chandler, perhaps an expiring tract like Mobley and a 2nd rounder might be more enticing. Or a combo of Chandler / Nate-(sign-trade) + bringing in a marginal player they do not want. Whatever you think of Nate, he's good box office. Mouse Are you talking about trading for Rubio? In that case Chandler and Mobley's contract plus 3 mil in cash for Rubio and Brian Cardinal should be enough. That gives Minnesota 10 million dollars or so in cash (Mobley's contract of 9 plus mil is covered 80% by insurance) which is great for a small market team and they get a starting small forward who is young, athletic, plays both ends of the court, can score and most importantly...he is cheap. The Wolves save 5 mil on Cardinals contract, get 3 mil in cash and save on the difference between the #5 pick in salary and the #18 pick (Chandler) which is aprroximately 2+ million dollars. I know we can trade Lee but I really do wonder about the market for Nate. Like you said he's entertaining and he can score so there should be someplace that could use those qualities. |
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Post by kgooglog on Jun 27, 2009 0:24:05 GMT -5
Every NYC area sports news source, all newspapers, 1050 Sports Radio, and yes, the aforementioned Marca news source has confirmed that Donnie Walsh has commenced discussions with David Kahn from the Minnesota Timberwolves concerning a sign and trade involving Nate Robinson and/or David Lee for Rick Rubio. According to Newsday, and the newspaper may very well be wrong, July 1st, not the 9th, is the day in which Nate as well as David, can be traded.
Rubio's buyout is apparently close to $6,000,000 and while Kahn is obviously trying to convince the media that the Wolves "can wait" one or two years for Ricky to return, it is believed by many high-level NBA executives that it is a matter of days before the Knicks unveil their newest acquisition. New York can pay the buyout as easily as one buys a pack of gum. The Wolves cannot and, according to these same executives, was the exact reason why they chose Jonny Flynn immediately after "Rifle".
Obviously, rumors are just rumors, but the plethora of news sources, Rubio's own public declaration in wanting to play for the Knicks, and even Walsh's unusually candid interview with Sportsradio, makes me believe that this is all, but signed, sealed and delivered.
My hope is that the deal does not include Wilson Chandler, which I have not heard any mention of, sans this board. I have only heard the Nate Robinson/David Lee scenarios, which, considering the Knicks selection of Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas, make more sense, than NY trading away the one promising player New York does have and that the organization does not have to shell out millions and millions of dollars for, in order to keep him a Knick.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 27, 2009 6:24:32 GMT -5
Re: the sign and trade situation with Rubio.
We can use the Lee/Nate chips to trade for the "rights" to a drafted player any time as long as the drafted player has not been signed. That is why Lee and Nate are coming up in the Rubio talks. We could not use these chips on draft day to get a team to draft somebody we like. We can use Nate on July 1st and Lee on July 9th (if the info I read was correct ) to try and secure Rubio. I'm not sure it is going to happen but it is a possibility.
Obviously the best scenario is to use Lee for Cardinal and the rights to Rubio along with a filler contract like Brian Cardinal. It's a value deal for both teams but Minnesota has Al Jefferson and Kevin Love. Do they need Lee? Would Lee consider playing for Minnesota. IMHO the answer to both the above stated questions is "No" but that doesn't mean a deal cannot be consummated as long as we get a third party involved.
Portland wants Lee bad so the Blazers get Lee, the Wolves get Travis Outlaw and maybe the rights to Portland draft choice Victor Claver plus cash from New York and New York gets Rubio and filler. That trade works and everyone is happy. We keep Chandler Wilson and now we have Gallinari, Chandler, Rubio, Hill, Douglas and Milicic (maybe) to surround LeBron plus judicial use of our extra free agent dollars and the MLE.
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