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Post by irish2u2 on Nov 25, 2020 7:55:38 GMT -5
what is Avdija's flaw? I don't see any. Shoots well, initiates plays(point forward skills) and is rated at least good on defense. If the knicks had somehow gotten avdija and Lewis and got rid of Randle they would then be playing a run and gun offense which would match up well with RJ's and Mitchell's skills. As long as Randle is on the Knicks RJ and Mitchell will never reach their ceilings.
As for Avdija’s “flaw” may have simply been the same as Haliburton’s which was he was good at most aspects but not elite in any one. Toppin is an elite scorer. Toppin was also the guy Leon Rose and Co. wanted all along but they didn’t lose any assets getting him. Nor did they waiver when faced with a difficult choice.
Randle led the Knicks last season in points, rebounds and assists and seemed to have absolutely no issues getting up and down the basketball court. PGs initiate fast breaks so if you have an issue with the Knicks tempo last season blame it on the PG play. That’s why I wanted Halliburton but there is nary a post from me bitching about it because I did my homework and Toppin is the real deal. He has flaws but he also has tremendous gifts and a great attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 10:32:02 GMT -5
I said I would have picked Deni too, but I’m guessing he fell to nine for a reason. Obviously NBA people didn’t agree with draft experts. A criticism I heard with Deni is that while he’s good in all facets of the game, he really doesn’t stand out at any. I think his stock was so high because everyone is now looking for the next Luka Doncic and he was the closest thing in the draft to him, but at least eight GM’s didn’t agree with that assessment. And although Obi was rated behind Deni in most final mocks, let’s not forget the earlier mocks had him going as high as the first three picks and I even saw one where he was the first pick in the draft! Why players rise and fall late during a pandemic where there are no games and the workouts are individual is beyond me. And while Obi is a poor defender, I’m sure Thibs saw something there he can work with or they wouldn’t have drafted him. Thibs and Rose are close and I’m sure he had a big say in the matter. And if you watch his highlight reel I see lots of blocks and steals, and that’s part of defense last time I checked. I guess we’ll find out starting in less than a month. To add to this, NY seems over trying to convert Euro players into stars. He may have a star career or not, but there are only so many Dirks, Pau Gasols, and Doncic type players to go around. Obi Toppin was the AP player of the year. As long as we play to his strengths, it wasnt the time to get cute with the pick. Advija was said to have slow lateral quickness, plays average defense, and doesn't seem to have that takeover gene to be a star despite doing some things well. I imagine that is why some better shooters and defenders went ahead of him. He might be Peja Stoyakivic(sp?) and while that's ok you don't draft that at 8. He isn't Doncic. It is the era of shooting. Toppin is rated a better shooter. Deni and Swiss army knife is good comparison. But Obi is more athletic and likely a better shooter. I was fine with either but do prefer Toppin. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 10:38:58 GMT -5
I said I would have picked Deni too, but I’m guessing he fell to nine for a reason. Obviously NBA people didn’t agree with draft experts. A criticism I heard with Deni is that while he’s good in all facets of the game, he really doesn’t stand out at any. I think his stock was so high because everyone is now looking for the next Luka Doncic and he was the closest thing in the draft to him, but at least eight GM’s didn’t agree with that assessment. And although Obi was rated behind Deni in most final mocks, let’s not forget the earlier mocks had him going as high as the first three picks and I even saw one where he was the first pick in the draft! Why players rise and fall late during a pandemic where there are no games and the workouts are individual is beyond me. And while Obi is a poor defender, I’m sure Thibs saw something there he can work with or they wouldn’t have drafted him. Thibs and Rose are close and I’m sure he had a big say in the matter. And if you watch his highlight reel I see lots of blocks and steals, and that’s part of defense last time I checked. I guess we’ll find out starting in less than a month. To add to this, NY seems over trying to convert Euro players into stars. He may have a star career or not, but there are only so many Dirks, Pau Gasols, and Doncic type players to go around. Obi Toppin was the AP player of the year. As long as we play to his strengths, it wasnt the time to get cute with the pick. Advija was said to have slow lateral quickness, plays average defense, and doesn't seem to have that takeover gene to be a star despite doing some things well. I imagine that is why some better shooters and defenders went ahead of him. He might be Peja Stoyakivic(sp?) and while that's ok you don't draft that at 8. He isn't Doncic. Very good post. BTW if Deni could shoot like Peja he might have gone first. HE CAN'T. |
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