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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 25, 2009 21:31:49 GMT -5
A good player who can do a lot of things at both ends of the court. He is an average athlete who can score and get teammates involved. He's certainly not a bad choice but I was rooting for Chase Budinger once Ellington was selected. Obviously Walsh and D'Antoni liked Douglas even though he didn't work out for them.
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Post by daglazer on Jun 26, 2009 8:35:48 GMT -5
Bill, I have seen a lot of Toney Douglas. He is not an average athlete. He is a tweener. His biggest problem is that he is a shooting guard, but only 6'2". He will either need to learn how to play point, or he will forever be a backup combo guard. He is actually a very good athlete. He was the ACC defensive player of the year. At 29, I like this pick precisely because he is such a good athlete. He was FSU's best scorer and best defender. He was the only player in the ACC who gave Lawson fits.
IMHO, he has better point guard skills than Nate. Douglas needs to improve the consistency of his jump shot and make crisper passes to become a real role player, but the ability is there.
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Post by whensly on Jun 26, 2009 20:21:01 GMT -5
how many tweeners do we hear "have to learn to play the point"?
how many NBA'ers with that profile become prolific PG's?
none I can recall.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 26, 2009 21:21:35 GMT -5
Toney Douglas played PG for the Noles this year. He has a handle and he makes smart decisions with the ball. His stats, assist wise, are skewed because FSU had trouble scoring after Douglas. I think their team FG% was 43% or so. He can play PG in the NBA. He can certainly play PG defense in the NBA
To answer the other question about college players learning a new position for the NBA you have to remember the inherent differences in the games and also coaches coach to win and not to get their kids into the NBA. Lots of players play out of position in college. Lots of players play hybrid positions in college.
I have no problems with this pick and hopefully y'all will skip my initial reaction. ; ) As for Toney's athleticism it looks like I could be wrong though his vertical jump (32") is one of the lowest of the point guards drafted in the first round. Guys like Lawson, Teague and Flynn have much more impressive jumping ability. Flynn has an amazing 40" vertical.
Douglas has the best wingspan (6'6) and is the quickest in the fullcourt agility drill and 3/4 court sprint. He is also the strongest. I looked at the pre-draft workouts (courtesy of DraftExpress.com) of Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, and Eric Maynor (all selected before Douglas) for comparison and except for vertical leaping ability Douglas has the best wingspan (good for steals), he is the strongest, quickest and fastest guard tested. Mea Culpa. ; )
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