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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 10, 2020 10:45:50 GMT -5
I hear you Jason on another post of can't wait for the draft and me too.I've been known to switch my choices like shirts but after fully evaluating this draft their are guys I truly love .The dilemma is do we take a guy too soon that always hurts a draft because you fail to take your guy because it might be too early to take him so trying to figure out were a guy is going to be drafted is very important so you can line up your picks.The biggest mistakes are made by drafting for need and that is best proven by Portland taking Bowie over Jordan because they needed a center.I bring that up because we need badly a point guard by we can't take a guy there and overlook a Jordan we can draft.Now obvious their no Jordans to draft but I'm trying to point out how draft mistakes are clearly made because all teams want to address need over talent and that is why draft guessing over what team gets who is basely made because of need and the drafts go that way usually and every team makes huge mistakes year after year using that strategy.I prefer to get best talent and IQ ,a player that will work to get better that kinda IQ is what I want to draft.If the scouting reports says lack of hustle I pass ,if it says doesn'try at times I pass.One of the best players in the game now was drafted in the teens,Kawhi is a perfect example why you can still find a diamond with later picks.If I am picking sixth right now I would love to get Obi Toppin,we forget sometimes how great a healthy Stat was and how much fun he was well Obi is a young Stat with a three point shot.He would be an all star caliber player able to give you 25 points a night.Out of the four and I know we need a point but that high we have to get best player. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbFyQBtLkVcIf he is gone before us which might happen,I'm warming up to the Israeli Donic but my true go too guy is still Devin Vassell ,I think he is going to be very special.I see a Wade or George type upside with the kid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIYx2X0Rpw8He is projected to go tenth to twelve so we would be reaching abit. |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 10, 2020 13:31:03 GMT -5
Honestly, and I know it wont happen but I want two lotto picks in this draft. You might ask why and not just save your pick for next year. It's because I also like Obi Toppin alot.
He reminds me of a Amar'e/Al Horford in his prime hybrid.
I loathe Randle on this team. To have Toppin replace Randle to then also grab Ball who is a 6'8" point guard would be my dream draft for this year
Both pass well. Both are coachable. Both are going to be taken in the 1st 8 picks. I'd give my next years pick to have a shot at both of those players this year. In a weak draft I'd like to grab the best all around players.
Toppin and Ball seem like they check off those boxes for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 15:40:12 GMT -5
Honestly, and I know it wont happen but I want to lotto picks in this draft. You might ask why and not just save your pick for next year. It's because I also like Obi Toppin alot. He reminds me of a Amar'e/Al Horford in his prime hybrid. I loathe Randle on this team. To have Toppin replace Randle to then also grab Ball who is a 6'8" point guard would be my dream draft for this year Both pass well. Both are coachable. Both are going to be taken in the 1st 8 picks. I'd give my next years pick to have a shot at both of those players this year. In a weak draft I'd like to grab the best all around players. Toppin and Ball seem like they check off those boxes for me. I don't loathe Randle at all. In fact I like him. But then you mentioned " on this team". You got me there. Randle seems to be a below average shooter. Barrett and Robinson are even worse. But if those two are the future then shooting becomes important. Even more so if we got Ball, also CURRENTLY a problematic shooter. I worry about Toppin's defense but he can shoot and score and would likely be a good fit with Mitch and RJ |
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 11, 2020 6:54:35 GMT -5
Randle improved his 3pt shooting to 34% last year, so his poor shooting this year was a big disappointment. Was it the pressures of NY or the pressure of being the go to guy for the first time? Who knows? Maybe if they surround him with talent we’ll see a much better player next year. I’ll be surprised if the Knicks pick up that third year though based on what he’s shown so far.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 17, 2020 20:51:17 GMT -5
I think Randle is gone,I get the vibe some players felt freezed out everytime he had ball.He came here with good passing skills,this doesn't make sense.My problem with Randle was the turnovers.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 18, 2020 17:11:53 GMT -5
Okay I'm jumping out of the Fassel ship and jumping on the Killian Hayes bandwagon.If anyone hasn't watch some games with him you need too,he will work so great with Mitch and RJ it's ridiculous,a matched made in heaven.I miss our fearless leader Bill were are you. The Good: A big, athletic point guard who was born in Florida, grew up in France and has been playing in Germany. Now the 6-5 lefty projects as a possible lottery pick with some scouts seeing him as a top 3 pick. Killian fits the mold of a modern point guard who can not only run the pick and roll and make all the passes but he can get his own shot off the dribble and is becoming a threat from 3pt land. Expect to see Killian come off the board in the mid to late lottery. Strengths Has a solid NBA body with good size for the PG position A terrific ball-handler who pushes the pace and has a lot of moves and creativity He’s not the most explosive athlete in the world but has a knack for getting defenders off balance, which allows him to get to the rim or create space for his shot. Has a good, wide crossover dribble and a lot of shake n bake Has good burst and suddenness and changes speeds well A good set-up man with court vision and a willingness to find the open man Can make the one-handed pass off a live dribble and knows how to draw the help defender and create space for teammates Knows how to get his shot and also how to draw fouls – a terrific FT shooter, which bodes well for the development of his 3pt shot Gives good effort on defense and can really get after the ball-handler Has a solid frame for a young guard and can score through contact The guy is shooting 90% from the free throw line and 40% from downdown he has a shot WOW ,can you imagine a Knick guard who can shoot.He is extremely crafty ,I really like him and yes he is from France LOL but born here LOL,I don't hold that again't him he is only 18 years old when draft comes around and he has been playing pro since 16 he is on everyone radar and a lock for the Knicks I would take him over Ball too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Kwk11oYF8www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8nq-wAZGkgSeems like a very smart kid in interviews too |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 18, 2020 17:13:32 GMT -5
He has NBA body now too,he is so young he doesn't know how to use his strength yet,I see a huge upside ,on a side note he would be great for Frankie's development too.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Aug 8, 2020 10:17:50 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqjeXykaROQThis show covers the merit of drafting Devin Vassel.I'm back on his train as far is our pick because I want to draft all star types and he seems to me like a lock to reach that level.His defense sets him apart and also his shooting he would be great with RJ and Mitch and maybe Knox ,I have not given up on Knox or Frankie .Devin is a complete player with high IQ right out of that gate we need alot of things and we can't miss on picks,if you can get a lock for a great player and sure it's not a point which we need too but we have other picks too.I would like to trade up with our second first and get a point that might drop in Kira Lewis from Alabama ,he is looking like the best point in this draft to me and if we give an asset to move up it would be a perfect draft to get Devin and Kira that would make my draft day.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Nov 1, 2020 15:11:43 GMT -5
Well I'm pulling this back from a while back since the draft is coming up,my take is we still are going to get my man Vassell but someone might get him before us like GS who loves him,I think we are figuring out backup options if he is gone and their is were Kira comes in he has gain some weight and is a great guy Kira Lewis might be the backup plan.He is a speed demon with exceptional IQ and work ethic.He is also a fine man with great character someone who can lead.His shot is really nice and his free throws are exceptional and his defense should come as he has the work ethic and foot speed and smarts.I like him better than any point in draft.Vassell is a very special player a Tatum,Mitchell type of pick I called in past.He is special in work ethic aswell as extremely high instinct and IQ an Einstein on dee he is so smart on dee he is special plus he shoots great.At 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan he can play two or three like RJ which should play well with the team as we add pieces.
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Post by irish2u2 on Nov 13, 2020 16:12:18 GMT -5
I still have no favorites in the draft but my feelings remain unchanged. Draft the best guy available regardless of position. I have watched tape on the top 10 or so guys in the draft. When you do this you see the highlights and rarely the weaknesses of the players.
Right now Tyrese Halliburton seems to me to be a player very much like Malcolm Brogdon of the Pacers and I really LIKE Malcolm Brogdon! That said Malcolm is not a superstar player. Killian Hayes might have that superstar gene. I like Obi Toppin but he reminds me of Rudy Gay who is a very good player but not a superstar player. I’d love any of these guys but I still like Wiseman the best. He’s not a fit for the Knicks and certainly doesn’t address their biggest needs but he just might be the best player in the draft. Still want no part of Ball. Questionable offensive game, questionable durability and above all questionable Dad.😎 I’ll be honest though. Remove my doubts about durability and I can live with the funky jumper and the stage dad.😎 Ball has some mad, creative skills and he’d be a huge hit in MSG.
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Post by daglazer on Nov 13, 2020 21:49:28 GMT -5
I still have no favorites in the draft but my feelings remain unchanged. Draft the best guy available regardless of position. I have watched tape on the top 10 or so guys in the draft. When you do this you see the highlights and rarely the weaknesses of the players.
Right now Tyrese Halliburton seems to me to be a player very much like Malcolm Brogdon of the Pacers and I really LIKE Malcolm Brogdon! That said Malcolm is not a superstar player. Killian Hayes might have that superstar gene. I like Obi Toppin but he reminds me of Rudy Gay who is a very good player but not a superstar player. I’d love any of these guys but I still like Wiseman the best. He’s not a fit for the Knicks and certainly doesn’t address their biggest needs but he just might be the best player in the draft. Still want no part of Ball. Questionable offensive game, questionable durability and above all questionable Dad.😎 I’ll be honest though. Remove my doubts about durability and I can live with the funky jumper and the stage dad.😎 Ball has some mad, creative skills and he’d be a huge hit in MSG.
Bill, I have two favorites in this draft and doubt that we get to draft either, Wiseman and Avdija. Wiseman, IMHO, is the most talented player and I would love to see he and Mitch play together. Avdija is a creator with size. I love the idea of he and RJ working the perimeter together and creating a share the ball environment. Other than that, I have no real love for any of the rest of the top 10.
I will say that I really like the idea of grabbing a big man at 27 in either Stewart or Carey. Both would bring a lot of toughness up front and be able to give us 20 good minutes a night.
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Post by axios on Nov 13, 2020 21:54:44 GMT -5
I’ll take Vassel, Nesmith, Halliburton. Do you not take Obi if he is there?
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Nov 13, 2020 22:13:28 GMT -5
Vassel, Kira Lewis Jr, Tyrese Maxey, Tyrell Terry in that order is who I want of Toppin is not there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 7:03:10 GMT -5
I’ll take Vassel, Nesmith, Halliburton. Do you not take Obi if he is there? Yes, Obi would be a good fit with Mitch. He can soar and shoot, And thibs would help him at the defensive end. |
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