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Post by will1682 on Jul 11, 2009 11:38:53 GMT -5
weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/In his latest blog Alan Hahn states that there was a report out of Philly about a sign and trade scenario involving Chris Duhon and Andre Miller. It is said to be Duhon's agent that is trying to make the deal happen. However, according to someone close to Miller he doesnt have the Knicks on his list at this point. Also in the blog is more notes about the Eddy Curry display in Vegas this weekend. Also mentioned that Houston may be interested in any sort of progress as well, as GM Daryl Morey confirmed yesterday the Rockets are in the market for a big man.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 11, 2009 12:36:24 GMT -5
weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/In his latest blog Alan Hahn states that there was a report out of Philly about a sign and trade scenario involving Chris Duhon and Andre Miller. It is said to be Duhon's agent that is trying to make the deal happen. However, according to someone close to Miller he doesnt have the Knicks on his list at this point. Also in the blog is more notes about the Eddy Curry display in Vegas this weekend. Also mentioned that Houston may be interested in any sort of progress as well, as GM Daryl Morey confirmed yesterday the Rockets are in the market for a big man. Hi Will... I just read that Andre Miller's agent is trying to facilitate a sign and trade for Chris Duhon plus a possible future first round pick from the Knicks. This was reported in a Philadelphia newspaper. Here is the link: www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/117/2009/july/11/sixers-knicks-could-swap-point-guards.htmlAndre Miller initially wanted a three year $30,000,000 deal, but in a sign and trade for Duhon, NY can offer Duhon's salary slot, plus add up to an additional 125% of his salary plus $100,000, according to the current CBA guidelines. The columnist wrote that Miller would end up with a three-year contract at approximately $7.6 million dollars per year, but only the first year of Miller's new deal would be guaranteed. I find it incredible that Philadelphia would want to do this, but they view Duhon as a solid PG, plus Chris' deal expires after the season. The market for FA PGs is very dry, I guess. Lord, let's hope Eddy looks good for Houston...If Curry can even walk, that should be enough for us to get rid of him.
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Post by will1682 on Jul 11, 2009 13:13:08 GMT -5
weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/In his latest blog Alan Hahn states that there was a report out of Philly about a sign and trade scenario involving Chris Duhon and Andre Miller. It is said to be Duhon's agent that is trying to make the deal happen. However, according to someone close to Miller he doesnt have the Knicks on his list at this point. Also in the blog is more notes about the Eddy Curry display in Vegas this weekend. Also mentioned that Houston may be interested in any sort of progress as well, as GM Daryl Morey confirmed yesterday the Rockets are in the market for a big man. Hi Will... I just read that Andre Miller's agent is trying to facilitate a sign and trade for Chris Duhon plus a possible future first round pick from the Knicks. This was reported in a Philadelphia newspaper. Here is the link: www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/117/2009/july/11/sixers-knicks-could-swap-point-guards.htmlAndre Miller initially wanted a three year $30,000,000 deal, but in a sign and trade for Duhon, NY can offer Duhon's salary slot, plus add up to an additional 125% of his salary plus $100,000, according to the current CBA guidelines. The columnist wrote that Miller would end up with a three-year contract at approximately $7.6 million dollars per year, but only the first year of Miller's new deal would be guaranteed. I find it incredible that Philadelphia would want to do this, but they view Duhon as a solid PG, plus Chris' deal expires after the season. The market for FA PGs is very dry, I guess. Lord, let's hope Eddy looks good for Houston...If Curry can even walk, that should be enough for us to get rid of him. Comrade, while I am not putting Chris Duhon in Andre Miller's league, I do feel he greatly overachieved this past season when it came to expectations. Yes, he did seem to run low on fuel towards the end of the season but he did suffer from back and ankle issues, plus we never really had a true backup. I will even say it was the best PG production we have had on the team in years in my opinion. I am unsure of the 76ers view on this as well. Perhaps its Miller's age they are wary of, especially with him seeking a 3 year deal. Or perhaps Duhon's expiring pact next summer has something to do with it. As for Curry, just going to have to wait on the verdict from Knicks brass. If his appearance is indeed lighter, I would suggest they check under his uniform for "shape slimmers", as seen on tv.
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Post by whensly on Jul 11, 2009 15:46:53 GMT -5
Duhon played too many minutes, played hurt and was in a role he never had before, a perfect backup pg...
Good point Will, Curry must be checked for wearing a girdle or form fitting hosiery ..I think the gals call them SPANX (the lady who came up with that is a zillionaire)
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 11, 2009 16:40:22 GMT -5
I changed my mind on Andre Miller,I'm seeing him fit DAnt system very well and I like his durability and low turnover rate.He has been consistant performer and would help our squad alot.I allways had high expectations for him and he fell short of that but he is a top pg who style might be taylor made because we have three point shooters allready he can just kick it out.He will excel on the break with our guys.
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 12, 2009 6:26:59 GMT -5
According to the NY Times, both Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni adamantly denied this proposed trade and are instead, focused on the current team, including Eddy Curry, who is also reported to be interested in leaving the Knicks via a sign and trade.
According to the newspaper, even a 50 pound weight loss would place Curry at around 315, 15 pounds away from his playing weight. Both the Knicks GM and Coach are dubious that Curry has lost this amount of weight.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 12, 2009 10:33:00 GMT -5
I never believe what a basketball executive says publicly about proposed trades or deals. ; ) Smart poker players don't have "reveals". ; )
That said I like Miller but like Kidd his shooting is questionable and on a team with perimeter shooting questions adding another "Q" instead of "A" seems like a poor move. Now throw in the money Miller wants and his age and you have a trade proposal that is of questionable long term value to the Knicks and their vision.
Let's see what Toney Douglas can do. Chris Duhon had an outstanding first half of basketball last season till fatigue wore him down. Maybe Douglas provides the bench strength at PG that allows Chris to go 100% when he is on the floor. Last year it seemed like he had to pace himself and his job and position demand a lot physically.
It also might be a good idea if Chris came into camp better prepared physically for the rigors of the NBA season and D'Antoni even with added help.
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Post by greatgates on Jul 12, 2009 14:34:04 GMT -5
I never believe what a basketball executive says publicly about proposed trades or deals. ; ) Smart poker players don't have "reveals". ; ) That said I like Miller but like Kidd his shooting is questionable and on a team with perimeter shooting questions adding another "Q" instead of "A" seems like a poor move. Now throw in the money Miller wants and his age and you have a trade proposal that is of questionable long term value to the Knicks and their vision. Let's see what Toney Douglas can do. Chris Duhon had an outstanding first half of basketball last season till fatigue wore him down. Maybe Douglas provides the bench strength at PG that allows Chris to go 100% when he is on the floor. Last year it seemed like he had to pace himself and his job and position demand a lot physically. It all might be a good idea if Chris came into camp better prepared physically for the rigors of the NBA season and D'Antoni even with added help. Nice analysis Bill. Look i'm not much of a miller fan ( shooting range and defense) but he helps teams win and we need the playoffs this year. I read Philly likes Lou williams a lot and with the draft of Holiday they don't feel a need for Miller. So would i take him. Only on a one year deal ( 3 yrs ~ 24 mil ) with a team option after the first year. Would he take it. I dunno but there doesn't seem to be a bigger market out there. We could sign and trade Duhon and be pretty close money wise.
BTW if you want Duhon in better shape you'd better start closing all the niteclubs at 10 PM
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 12, 2009 14:55:26 GMT -5
GG
Hopefully Duhon got the message from last year when he arrived in camp in so-so physical condition. He's a Dookie, right? ; ) I expect Dookies to be smart enough to recognize and seize opportunities especially when they don't grow on trees for players like Duhon. We don't need a star PG if we can persuade LeBron to wear Orange and Blue but we do need a PG who doesn't break down after the All-Star break.
But if we can get NYC nightclubs to close at 10pm think how much better Jeter and ARod might play. ; )
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Post by kgooglog on Jul 12, 2009 22:11:08 GMT -5
According to CBS Sportnet, Andre Mller's agent has joined Chris Duhon's agent in this rumored sign and trade proposal. The market for 33 year old PGs without an outside shot seems to be Philadelphia's major hesitation in even signing Miller, while New York wants Miller more than Eddy Curry wants to lay on his back and eat jumbo-sized Cheese Doodles. I was initially ecstatic when I read this proposal, yet there are three major issues for New York to consider before the Knicks hyperventilate over Andre:
1) Nate Robinson is reportedly agreeable to signing the one year qualifying offer with NY, which adds only $2.9 for 2009-10's payroll. Maybe I am wrong but I am not that distressed with a more committed, healthy Duhan, Robinson, and Douglas PG rotation for this season, especially considering NY may consider running the offense through Gallo, who has extraordinary play-making skills for a 6'11 forward/center. With Nate in the fold for one more year, he will undoubtedly play a more controlled game, which will include becoming a better play-maker. Toney D will benefit from seeing a serviceable PG in Chris, and will work harder to supplant Nate as the primary reserve for this year.
2) Andre's salary, if this deal goes through, will be $7.65 per year for three years. Varying reports have that crucial 2010-2011 salary be a team option--other reports say that the deal is a flat-out three year contract which will have 125% of Duhon's salary plus $100,000 added on, which is allowable according to the CBA. Miller and his agent were angling for a $10,000,000 three year contract, which, given the current NBA market, does not seem to be possible.
3) Andre Miller is 33 years old and was never the quickest PG on the planet to begin with. As a back-up PG, Nate Robinson is possibly the quickest guard in the NBA and while he is not half the PG Miller is, Nate is younger and a better shooter than Miller is. Duhon is younger and a better outside shooter than Miller is. Toney Douglas is an unknown professional entity, which almost makes it imperative for N8 to remain on NY for the upcoming season as a back-up to Duhon and as an insurance policy. Also, despite Toney Douglas' rave reviews that I've read as a defensive-minded PG/SG, it is a bit unfair for the Knicks to put that kind of pressure on a rookie. Unless NY can trade Nate and Jeffries for that Sacramento package, than Nate's acceptance of the qualifying offer should crush this Miller rumor.
Andre Miller is a leader, he is durable, and he is definitely a top 10 PG in the NBA. His size allows him to back down smaller PGs and he is a superb leader and is light years ahead of Duhon in terms of creativity. That said, NY can only consider Miller if 2010-11's cap space is preserved, which I do not think can happen, unless 2010-11 is a team option...
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