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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 29, 2021 22:26:53 GMT -5
I hate to be negative but everyone I wanted was picked waaaay earlier than our picks and then we just traded away the 1st three picks for nothing. I watches 3 hours of this for nothing.
Free agency it is then. Maybe Rose will actually speak on why we couldn't trade up or get some players back.
D- draft or F plus if that exists.
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Post by greatgates36 on Jul 30, 2021 0:22:02 GMT -5
I hate to be negative but everyone I wanted was picked waaaay earlier than our picks and then we just traded away the 1st three picks for nothing. I watches 3 hours of this for nothing. Free agency it is then. Maybe Rose will actually speak on why we couldn't trade up or get some players back. D- draft or F plus if that exists.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 30, 2021 8:24:21 GMT -5
When you look at cap space and what we did it might change your mind,let's see what happens in FA opens in a day.By trading the one and getting a one it provides assets for big game hunting in a future trade.Having McBride with a second round deal is a brillant move cap wise for the future.Both guys we got that I wanted are tops in defense for their position while being great three point shooters my dream,Thibs is in heaven right now we got the dee guys we both wanted to shutdown Tre and the like love these picks really,Jackson was left on board but you never know how interviews worked he might not been great for us chemistry wise,the guys we got are in the hard working mold we love and should fit this hard working young character built we have love it hang it there jason you will come around with this draft later it's hard to see now.Pokas is one of the youngest talent to come out winning alot of awards for youngest talent ,he is huge and can dish like a mastro,nice shooter obvious we did scouting on him the stash is nice he has out of contract every year so when he is ready we can get him,plus he truly is a special passer who shoots great what is not to like I was surprised he was taken before my guy Deuce it must reflect the value they put on him don't sleep on Pokas the guy is legit talent not like others we got in this way.
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Post by daglazer on Jul 30, 2021 9:17:36 GMT -5
I hate to be negative but everyone I wanted was picked waaaay earlier than our picks and then we just traded away the 1st three picks for nothing. I watches 3 hours of this for nothing. Free agency it is then. Maybe Rose will actually speak on why we couldn't trade up or get some players back. D- draft or F plus if that exists.
Honestly, I thought that the draft sucked because outside of the top 5-6 players, that there was nothing but generic role players. So, I am fine with the trade for a future 1 from Charlotte and the trade down to get Grimes who should be a good 3 and D type guard. Thibs is apparently high on McBride which is a good enough endorsement for me.
IMHO, the draft is MUCH better and deeper next year.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 30, 2021 9:22:30 GMT -5
I hate to be negative but everyone I wanted was picked waaaay earlier than our picks and then we just traded away the 1st three picks for nothing. I watches 3 hours of this for nothing. Free agency it is then. Maybe Rose will actually speak on why we couldn't trade up or get some players back. D- draft or F plus if that exists.
Honestly, I thought that the draft sucked because outside of the top 5-6 players, that there was nothing but generic role players. So, I am fine with the trade for a future 1 from Charlotte and the trade down to get Grimes who should be a good 3 and D type guard. Thibs is apparently high on McBride which is a good enough endorsement for me.
IMHO, the draft is MUCH better and deeper next year.
 FWIW this draft didn't suck but it did come with a lot of melodrama and angst. Currently I'm past the angst. I think. |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 30, 2021 9:35:51 GMT -5
The announcing of trades was kindergarten level the ESPN crew is so full of themselves and provide no information about what the subject matter is the draft all this hype BS and talk about crap and not reporting what was going on and like always when Knicks pick a hour long commercial spots skips two picks it's was bad so yes following this had to be the most annoying coverage in history me and my son just turned it off and wait for pick announcement elsewhere because it was too bad.But you see I turned them off and was just going by what Rose was doing and it was brilliant,this front office is really smart because they were able to figure out draft order better than anyone and it seem like they spread false Leeds leading up to this so if you think after all this crazy trades going on what they did you might get the big plan, they want guys ready to go especially on defense.That's how we win with defense and yes shooting,rebounding and play making but for Thibs in order to get on court you have to hold your on on defense alot of the guys speculated to us were weak there and you can see by the guys I wanted and Thibs we were thinking defense first then shot because that way of looking at prospects eliminates alot like the Cooper,Mann and Murphy's were their defense was suspect.McBride foot speed to get infront of you is really amazing ,his foot speed to defend is the part of the game I loved to play and watch .clyde was also preaching this for years we finally got guys like Thibs that value that along with rebounding you are always in the game.I love Grimes and McBride defense it was different than eveyone scouted with maybe two others guys that went higher their special defenders and i am so happy to add them reall if we would of gotten Jackson I would of been three for three but 2 for 3 makes my day.The reason it's nice to trade the one is it opens cap money those holds for 1st are high and getting contracts foer second rounders is the best GM cap management in this draft that is what it's an A for me cap management to a new level nobody's sees it coming brillant leon .
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 30, 2021 10:05:11 GMT -5
I just want three free agents,for two year deal ,Powell or Robinson & Dinwiddie & DeRozan that's it.I want Sexton or dinwiddie plan B on short deal.I know De Rozan can't shoot threes I'm alright with that ,let him dish at 6.9 clip and teach my youth.He has changed into nice heady player now.Dinwiddie took me a while to buyin but he has to prove it now all the talk let him do it for us and he apparantly is ready to go do just that,don't forget if the guy is good he might be doing that against you on another team if you pass up on that,I think he is a good fit exp wise for us.Powell or Robinson provides shooting but we might have that with IQ and Grimes and McBride.I lean towards Powell because I hear he is a good character guy and leader which I want and I think Thibs wants,I hope the Robinson talk is a smoke screen to drive price high for Miami but the interest might be real still I prefer Powell cause of dee .
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Post by daglazer on Jul 31, 2021 7:47:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought that the draft sucked because outside of the top 5-6 players, that there was nothing but generic role players. So, I am fine with the trade for a future 1 from Charlotte and the trade down to get Grimes who should be a good 3 and D type guard. Thibs is apparently high on McBride which is a good enough endorsement for me.
IMHO, the draft is MUCH better and deeper next year.
When the pundits tell you a draft is deep, then that just means that there is a lack of high-end talent.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 31, 2021 9:46:15 GMT -5
I don’t agree the draft sucked at all. I think we give too much credit to the “experts” sitting at the desks than they deserve. The teams did all the scouting and research and they know better. I’ll give you an example. Teams were calling the Spurs (including the Knicks) about trading their first round pick, but the Spurs said no and then drafted Joshua Primo who all the experts had late in the second round, and all the experts on their couches (myself included) had never heard of. Now unless the Spurs are idiots why didn’t they take 19 and 21 from the Knicks and draft Primo at 19? Obviously they knew he wouldn’t be there, right? That means teams knew all about this kid and the TV guys didn’t. And what’s funny is that if the Knicks had stayed at 19 and picked McBride, those experts and Knicks fans would say it was a great pick, but in hindsight we all now know he was available at 36! So here’s my personal summation of the draft. Pick 19- hated that they traded it, hated it more when I saw it was heavily protected, but…I see what Leon is doing. It’s yet another number one pick he can dangle in a trade. We’ve heard many times that he’s willing to give up multiple number ones in a trade for a superstar, so instead of using up two assets in this draft he only used one. As for pick 21. Gained a second round pick to only move down four spots. From a personal point of view I wanted the point machine Cam Thomas who fell to 27, so I was disappointed at first, but after doing a bit of research on Grimes (who of course I had never heard of) he’s so perfect for Thibs I don’t know how I missed it! By the way, I’d love to take credit for it but I must be honest. Someone said if we trade for Sexton now our backcourt will be called SexGrimes! Anyway, since Thomas was my choice if he had gone anywhere between 21 and 25 I would have hated the move but I liked it since he didn’t. Anyone who doesn’t think moving from 32 to 34 and getting pick 36 to do so isn’t an A +, we have a major disagreement. So in summation, and of course I’m an optimist by nature, but I give this draft a B. Excited now for free agency and the summer league!
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 31, 2021 10:25:20 GMT -5
I don’t agree the draft sucked at all. I think we give too much credit to the “experts” sitting at the desks than they deserve. The teams did all the scouting and research and they know better. I’ll give you an example. Teams were calling the Spurs (including the Knicks) about trading their first round pick, but the Spurs said no and then drafted Joshua Primo who all the experts had late in the second round, and all the experts on their couches (myself included) had never heard of. Now unless the Spurs are idiots why didn’t they take 19 and 21 from the Knicks and draft Primo at 19? Obviously they knew he wouldn’t be there, right? That means teams knew all about this kid and the TV guys didn’t. And what’s funny is that if the Knicks had stayed at 19 and picked McBride, those experts and Knicks fans would say it was a great pick, but in hindsight we all now know he was available at 36! So here’s my personal summation of the draft. Pick 19- hated that they traded it, hated it more when I saw it was heavily protected, but…I see what Leon is doing. It’s yet another number one pick he can dangle in a trade. We’ve heard many times that he’s willing to give up multiple number ones in a trade for a superstar, so instead of using up two assets in this draft he only used one. As for pick 21. Gained a second round pick to only move down four spots. From a personal point of view I wanted the point machine Cam Thomas who fell to 27, so I was disappointed at first, but after doing a bit of research on Grimes (who of course I had never heard of) he’s so perfect for Thibs I don’t know how I missed it! By the way, I’d love to take credit for it but I must be honest. Someone said if we trade for Sexton now our backcourt will be called SexGrimes! Anyway, since Thomas was my choice if he had gone anywhere between 21 and 25 I would have hated the move but I liked it since he didn’t. Anyone who doesn’t think moving from 32 to 34 and getting pick 36 to do so isn’t an A +, we have a major disagreement. So in summation, and of course I’m an optimist by nature, but I give this draft a B. Excited now for free agency and the summer league! This was my hot take at the time because I saw players I really wanted taken in the lotto or mid teens like Tre Mann, Trey Murphy, Corey Kispert for example. But after watching videos and interviews of who we did take I'm way off the ledge, than I was. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 31, 2021 10:38:15 GMT -5
When knowledgeable basketball people are comparing this draft to the 2003 LeBron James draft I have to think this is a good draft class. Case in point. In 2000 LSU's Stromile Swift was selected #2 by the then Vancouver Grizzlies. Six years later another uber athletic LSU big Tyrus Thomas was selected by the Portland Trailblazers at #4. The 2021 doppelgänger to these two selections is Jericho Sims. Taken at #58.
There was extremely good value all up and down this draft and up at the top more than one scout thinks Kuminga might be the second best player after Cunningham while another likens Jalen Green to Kobe Bryant only Green is a better shooter at this stage. Without a doubt I think the top 5 picks are all future all-stars. maybe even more. No Darkos in the top 5 of this draft.
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Post by axios on Jul 31, 2021 11:41:16 GMT -5
Lol Jason, Im in Greece and my. 3 sons stayed up to 3-5:30am for trade backs and players we didnt know. I love Grimes and McBride. I watched Grimes in the tourney, he was a beast. I watched him in the combine game, and he barely hit the rim. Grimes can shoot it, Im happy we have a shooter. Deuce looked good against Cunningham and is a shutdown defender.
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Post by greatgates36 on Jul 31, 2021 13:47:12 GMT -5
I don’t agree the draft sucked at all. I think we give too much credit to the “experts” sitting at the desks than they deserve. The teams did all the scouting and research and they know better. I’ll give you an example. Teams were calling the Spurs (including the Knicks) about trading their first round pick, but the Spurs said no and then drafted Joshua Primo who all the experts had late in the second round, and all the experts on their couches (myself included) had never heard of. Now unless the Spurs are idiots why didn’t they take 19 and 21 from the Knicks and draft Primo at 19? Obviously they knew he wouldn’t be there, right? That means teams knew all about this kid and the TV guys didn’t. And what’s funny is that if the Knicks had stayed at 19 and picked McBride, those experts and Knicks fans would say it was a great pick, but in hindsight we all now know he was available at 36! So here’s my personal summation of the draft. Pick 19- hated that they traded it, hated it more when I saw it was heavily protected, but…I see what Leon is doing. It’s yet another number one pick he can dangle in a trade. We’ve heard many times that he’s willing to give up multiple number ones in a trade for a superstar, so instead of using up two assets in this draft he only used one. As for pick 21. Gained a second round pick to only move down four spots. From a personal point of view I wanted the point machine Cam Thomas who fell to 27, so I was disappointed at first, but after doing a bit of research on Grimes (who of course I had never heard of) he’s so perfect for Thibs I don’t know how I missed it! By the way, I’d love to take credit for it but I must be honest. Someone said if we trade for Sexton now our backcourt will be called SexGrimes! Anyway, since Thomas was my choice if he had gone anywhere between 21 and 25 I would have hated the move but I liked it since he didn’t. Anyone who doesn’t think moving from 32 to 34 and getting pick 36 to do so isn’t an A +, we have a major disagreement. So in summation, and of course I’m an optimist by nature, but I give this draft a B. Excited now for free agency and the summer league!
I beliece they liked McBride BUT also believed several similar players would also be available early second round. With Grimes they likely felt there were few ready to play 3 and D available guards available and virtually none with that body type. BTW 32 for 34 and 36 was brilliant.
I'm fascinated every year when Kiper (I respect the work he puts into his analysis) predicts a draft AND THEN grades the draft. Pick by his viewpoint and get and A+ grade. If kiper or others think Trabisky is a better pick than Mahomes and you draft Mitch then you get an A+ and you are absurdly wrong.
Finally i'd probably never trade back (unless I got a 34 & 36 for 32 deal  ) AND I WOULD BE WRONG. I respect someone with enough deep belief to adjust in that manner.
BTW I also wanted Thomas but I'm a sucker for a back story. BTW 2; your point about Primo was special.
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Post by greatgates36 on Jul 31, 2021 13:49:43 GMT -5
Lol Jason, Im in Greece and my. 3 sons stayed up to 3-5:30am for trade backs and players we didnt know. I love Grimes and McBride. I watched Grimes in the tourney, he was a beast. I watched him in the combine game, and he barely hit the rim. Grimes can shoot it, Im happy we have a shooter. Deuce looked good against Cunningham and is a shutdown defender. |
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Post by axios on Aug 1, 2021 2:45:23 GMT -5
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FWIW this draft didn't suck but it did come with a lot of melodrama and angst. Currently I'm past the angst. I think. 
) AND I WOULD BE WRONG. I respect someone with enough deep belief to adjust in that manner.