Dame Going To Request A Trade

[rxmeister]

[irish2u2]

I love Dame's game but... when you consider the cost to get him and the fact he just turned 31 you have to ask yourself does he get us a championship? I don't think so because the Knicks will have to pay dearly to get Lillard. At the very least multiple draft picks, RJ and maybe Obi and IQ too. What the Knicks are left with is a superstar PG at the very height of his game surrounded by some talented players but limited options.

So consider the possibilities. The Knicks trade all 3 of their "good" picks plus RJ, Obi,  IQ and some change. The Knicks free agents are Derrick Rose, Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel, Frank Ntilikina, Taj Gibson and Theo Pinson. Assume the Knicks re-sign all their free agents except maybe Pinson. Take those guys with Lillard and the rest of the roster and you have the following roster:

Center: Mitchell Robinson, Nerlens Noel, Taj Gibson, Norvele Pelle
PF: Julius Randle and maybe Taj or some NBA vet with a MLE.
SF: Bullock, Knox
SG: Burks, Vildoza, Ntilikina
PG: Lillard, Rose, Vildoza

The Knicks go from being a very young team to a much older team. The starters, Mitch, Randle, Bullock, Dame and Burks are pretty good but off the bench except at center and with Derrick Rose the Knicks are paper thin. They are better but can they beat Brooklyn, Milwaukee and Philly? 

With the salary cap shot and the future mortgaged with maybe a 3-4 year window what are the chances of a championship? 

Before any of y'all go ballistic on me I know Dame is a Top 10 and maybe even Top 5 player in the game. I also know a Ben Simmons trade makes more sense to the Blazers and certainly the Sixers especially if Dame wants a ring. He'll go much further with Joel Embiid and Tobias Harris than he will with Julius Randle and Derrick Rose. 

Stay the course!! Look at trades that keep key assets while using salary cap room intelligently. Dame would make a huge splash in MSG. 

Just like Melo. 

[rxmeister]

I understand what you’re saying, Irish, but here’s the problem with staying the course. You mentioned that Dame gives you a three or four year window like that’s a bad thing! Unless you’re Jason, the rest of us codgers might just have three or four years! Seriously though, staying the course won’t work, because you just sent Dame over there with Embiid and Harris within your division, and you’re not winning anything for a long time. By the time the clock runs out on that team you have Randle in his thirties. As for RJ, I think he’s so underrated by fans of other teams but also overrated by Knicks fans. If he continues to improve he can become a star, but a Randle type star, not a Dame type star. I love RJ, but elite he’ll never be. You see the elite ness in Zion, and you see it in Morant, but only Knicks fans see it in RJ. I see solid player with a successful long career in the NBA, but he’d have to be the third best player on a championship team. You talk about Batman and Robin? He’s Alfred! As for the rest of the team, IQ, Obi, etc are good young players, but hardly a championship core. The rest of the team last year was veterans and incredible coaching. Now even then I only trade RJ in this deal if it’s an absolute dealbreaker because as you said you need a team around Dame. I also think you’re making the incorrect assumption that they sign Dame and then pat themselves on the back and head to the beach till the season starts. This is a smart group running our team. Portland will be trash without Dame and they know it. Do they send McCollum with him? What use will he have to them? You also have the trade market. Or the Knicks become way more attractive to Kawhi or another good free agent or two. As for Philly, if Portland values Brick McBrickerson Simmons over RJ it would pretty much verify what I said. However they’re nuts if they do. Here’s my offer to Portland. Four number ones and two players not named Randle or RJ. That’s a lot for a team that without Dame will be rebuilding for years. If they want RJ, I do it but now it’s two number ones and Obi. If the rumors are true, and Dame’s denial yesterday was weak, and only done because he’s meeting with them today, the Knicks have them over the barrel anyway. Philly cannot match the draft pick package a rebuilding team would need.

[jbnewyork162]

Jul 17, 2021 6:51:58 GMT -5 rxmeister said:

I understand what you’re saying, Irish, but here’s the problem with staying the course. You mentioned that Dame gives you a three or four year window like that’s a bad thing! Unless you’re Jason, the rest of us codgers might just have three or four years! Seriously though, staying the course won’t work, because you just sent Dame over there with Embiid and Harris within your division, and you’re not winning anything for a long time. By the time the clock runs out on that team you have Randle in his thirties. As for RJ, I think he’s so underrated by fans of other teams but also overrated by Knicks fans. If he continues to improve he can become a star, but a Randle type star, not a Dame type star. I love RJ, but elite he’ll never be. You see the elite ness in Zion, and you see it in Morant, but only Knicks fans see it in RJ. I see solid player with a successful long career in the NBA, but he’d have to be the third best player on a championship team. You talk about Batman and Robin? He’s Alfred! As for the rest of the team, IQ, Obi, etc are good young players, but hardly a championship core. The rest of the team last year was veterans and incredible coaching. Now even then I only trade RJ in this deal if it’s an absolute dealbreaker because as you said you need a team around Dame. I also think you’re making the incorrect assumption that they sign Dame and then pat themselves on the back and head to the beach till the season starts. This is a smart group running our team. Portland will be trash without Dame and they know it. Do they send McCollum with him? What use will he have to them? You also have the trade market. Or the Knicks become way more attractive to Kawhi or another good free agent or two. As for Philly, if Portland values Brick McBrickerson Simmons over RJ it would pretty much verify what I said. However they’re nuts if they do. Here’s my offer to Portland. Four number ones and two players not named Randle or RJ. That’s a lot for a team that without Dame will be rebuilding for years. If they want RJ, I do it but now it’s two number ones and Obi. If the rumors are true, and Dame’s denial yesterday was weak, and only done because he’s meeting with them today, the Knicks have them over the barrel anyway. Philly cannot match the draft pick package a rebuilding team would need.

The offer you made was the same one I suggested except I erased it because I thought it was too much for those here.

4 picks and 2 players not named RJ, Randle and IQ. If he is available in fact by trade that's what I'd do and it is no comparison to Carmelo in 2000.

Why? Because Carmelo wasn't the best or 2nd best forward in the game and he was going to be a free agent. Dame is in year 2 of his prime year contract extension. And Dame is the best PG available via trade and happens to be a top 5 player.

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Jul 17, 2021 6:51:58 GMT -5 rxmeister said:

I understand what you’re saying, Irish, but here’s the problem with staying the course. You mentioned that Dame gives you a three or four year window like that’s a bad thing! Unless you’re Jason, the rest of us codgers might just have three or four years! Seriously though, staying the course won’t work, because you just sent Dame over there with Embiid and Harris within your division, and you’re not winning anything for a long time. By the time the clock runs out on that team you have Randle in his thirties. As for RJ, I think he’s so underrated by fans of other teams but also overrated by Knicks fans. If he continues to improve he can become a star, but a Randle type star, not a Dame type star. I love RJ, but elite he’ll never be. You see the elite ness in Zion, and you see it in Morant, but only Knicks fans see it in RJ. I see solid player with a successful long career in the NBA, but he’d have to be the third best player on a championship team. You talk about Batman and Robin? He’s Alfred! As for the rest of the team, IQ, Obi, etc are good young players, but hardly a championship core. The rest of the team last year was veterans and incredible coaching. Now even then I only trade RJ in this deal if it’s an absolute dealbreaker because as you said you need a team around Dame. I also think you’re making the incorrect assumption that they sign Dame and then pat themselves on the back and head to the beach till the season starts. This is a smart group running our team. Portland will be trash without Dame and they know it. Do they send McCollum with him? What use will he have to them? You also have the trade market. Or the Knicks become way more attractive to Kawhi or another good free agent or two. As for Philly, if Portland values Brick McBrickerson Simmons over RJ it would pretty much verify what I said. However they’re nuts if they do. Here’s my offer to Portland. Four number ones and two players not named Randle or RJ. That’s a lot for a team that without Dame will be rebuilding for years. If they want RJ, I do it but now it’s two number ones and Obi. If the rumors are true, and Dame’s denial yesterday was weak, and only done because he’s meeting with them today, the Knicks have them over the barrel anyway. Philly cannot match the draft pick package a rebuilding team would need.

Tons of excellent stuff here. I agree with your thought process here. But as an aside, Ben Boulder McBrickerson Simmons is just waaay better then RJ. And I love RJ and dont love Brick. But the talent disparity is significant, almost massive.