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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 13, 2021 10:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 13, 2021 11:45:43 GMT -5
Social media sources are saying the deal is Sexton for Obi, Knox and the 19th pick. To me this is a no brainer. Obi backs up our best player so he’s expendable, you ain’t getting a 24 PPG scorer at 19, and LOL Knox. Funniest thing to me is that Sexton is a full year younger than Obi is and is already a star in this league. Anyone who doesn’t want Sexton should be strapped to a chair Clockwork Orange style and be forced to watch the game where he beat the Brooklyn Big Three all by himself. Imagine having him for the Hawks series. Would have matched Trae hoop for hoop and they wouldn’t be able to double Randle. And his lack of play making skills won’t hurt the Knicks because Randle will be the facilitator. Sounds like this deal is in the advanced stages and I hope it gets done.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 13, 2021 13:16:08 GMT -5
Social media sources are saying the deal is Sexton for Obi, Knox and the 19th pick. To me this is a no brainer. Obi backs up our best player so he’s expendable, you ain’t getting a 24 PPG scorer at 19, and LOL Knox. Funniest thing to me is that Sexton is a full year younger than Obi is and is already a star in this league. Anyone who doesn’t want Sexton should be strapped to a chair Clockwork Orange style and be forced to watch the game where he beat the Brooklyn Big Three all by himself. Imagine having him for the Hawks series. Would have matched Trae hoop for hoop and they wouldn’t be able to double Randle. And his lack of play making skills won’t hurt the Knicks because Randle will be the facilitator. Sounds like this deal is in the advanced stages and I hope it gets done. I like his offensive skill but the Cavs backcourt with he and Garland had one of the worst defensive ratings for a backcourt the last two years. Also Lonzo Ball costs just money and who is going to be our backup 4 when Randle gets burned out? Also I don't mind making this deal but we better hope someone decent falls to 21 which is our second d pick in the first. I would've loved to trade Knox, Obi and our picks(19,21) for their lotto pick over Sexton to be honest. But we shall see. More to games than just scoring. Obi looks like he will be a solid pro and the only thing that stopped him was the opportunity honestly. He was drafted to replace Randle before Randle went off last year. It's not exactly a no brainer. |
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Post by pearl on Jul 13, 2021 13:47:14 GMT -5
Not a big fan of Sexton, while very talnted yes, I'd prefer Lonzo and save the number 1 pick and OBI.
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Post by axios on Jul 13, 2021 15:40:11 GMT -5
I’m thinking Sexton can fill it up and Thibs can teach him how to play D. He’s lightening fast, you can’t teach that. i still think Knox will be a good player. ObI , i don’t know. Lonzo i like, but he can’t shoot, hmmm better than Simmons? Who would you take at the same price?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 17:52:16 GMT -5
Social media sources are saying the deal is Sexton for Obi, Knox and the 19th pick. To me this is a no brainer. Obi backs up our best player so he’s expendable, you ain’t getting a 24 PPG scorer at 19, and LOL Knox. Funniest thing to me is that Sexton is a full year younger than Obi is and is already a star in this league. Anyone who doesn’t want Sexton should be strapped to a chair Clockwork Orange style and be forced to watch the game where he beat the Brooklyn Big Three all by himself. Imagine having him for the Hawks series. Would have matched Trae hoop for hoop and they wouldn’t be able to double Randle. And his lack of play making skills won’t hurt the Knicks because Randle will be the facilitator. Sounds like this deal is in the advanced stages and I hope it gets done. I like his offensive skill but the Cavs backcourt with he and Garland had one of the worst defensive ratings for a backcourt the last two years. Also Lonzo Ball costs just money and who is going to be our backup 4 when Randle gets burned out? Also I don't mind making this deal but we better hope someone decent falls to 21 which is our second d pick in the first. I would've loved to trade Knox, Obi and our picks(19,21) for their lotto pick over Sexton to be honest. But we shall see. More to games than just scoring. Obi looks like he will be a solid pro and the only thing that stopped him was the opportunity honestly. He was drafted to replace Randle before Randle went off last year. It's not exactly a no brainer. |
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 13, 2021 19:01:35 GMT -5
First of all if the trade is Obi, Knox and #19 for Colin Sexton I do so in a New York minute! Even quicker if possible.  The whole goal this off season is to get better and more talented. Sexton gets us better and more talented while finally filling a need the Knicks have had for a long time. He's a 3 level scorer and uber athletic. And young! He has skills the Knicks need and on the Knicks he will play defense or sit. As for his playmaking it's not Lonzo Ball but it's not bad either. And Sexton doesn't bring the Dad baggage with him. It's an extremely reasonable trade and the Knicks still have cash to go free agent shopping. How about trading for Sexton, signing Kelly Oubre and Patrick Patterson as the backup PF, keeping Rose, Burks and after the smoke has cleared re-upping Taj Gibson?
Anybody disagree that a starting five of Randle, Robinson, Sexton, Oubre and RJ wouldn't be a significant improvement over this season's starting 5? Much more scoring, way more athletic, better off the boards and much more scoring.
Then you have Rose, IQ, Burks, Vildoza, Patterson, Taj and Pelle off the bench. Plus the #21 and #32 draft picks could be pretty decent bigs like Usman Garuba, Trey Murphy, Rene's guy Charles Bassey, Alperen Sengun, Isiah Jackson, Greg Brown (with the second highest vertical in the combine) and Isiah Todd.
Concerning Sexton my understanding is he wasn't happy when Cleveland drafted another PG in Darius Garland. Both are almost exactly the same size but Sexton got stuck guarding the bigger and more physical shooting guards of the league while Garland got the PGs. That is about the only issue I could find about him and Thibs has a way of treating players to bend them to his will. Ask Derrick Rose. Don't ask KAT.
I like Obi especially since he is a local guy but I can see where Cleveland wants the ex Dayton Flyer too and if Obi is the deal breaker don't break the deal!!
The Knicks were never going to use both first round draft picks and keeping in mind Sexton is just 22 the team adds a 24 PPG scorer on a team that finished 26th in the league in scoring in the regular season and last in the playoffs. Sexton takes the pressure off Julius and his ability to penetrate and kick will find open players who can hit shots. Like Julius. I am seriously warming up to Oubre, especially with Sexton, because he can score and defend and he's a great athlete. Now if he can learn to shoot treys he might be the steal of the free agent market.
I like Patrick Patterson as a backup PF and he's from Kentucky BUT Ed Davis and Willy Hernangomez are available too.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 13, 2021 21:43:02 GMT -5
I can be sold on Sexton because I think thibs can improve his game,Obi to me is a deal breaker cause he was a high pick too 8th as well as Sexton.I rather offer two number ones and Knox,21st dallas pick and next year number one.I don't want to over bid ourselves as their are few teams with multiples picks to move.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 14, 2021 7:35:46 GMT -5
A lot of people who prefer Ball because he costs just money should ask themselves why this is the case. Cleveland is looking for assets for Sexton while the reports are yesterday that the Pelicans won’t match an offer for Ball. And I’m also reading the Knicks have little interest in him and he’s Chicago bound anyway. To me NO not matching is a huge red flag. I’d welcome Ball as well, but Sexton is a far superior player. His defense is concerning but a defensive oriented coach like Thibs would not be on board with this trade if he didn’t think the ability to improve is there. I think sometimes we worry about the little things and it makes us ignore the obvious, and the obvious is that Sexton is an immense upgrade in talent for this team, and as Gates pointed out, on paper it’s vital we greatly improve to even stay where we are.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 14, 2021 8:59:11 GMT -5
I went back and forth on this trade idea and one thing I don't like is when we trade for him, he is up for an extension and his max is 5 years and 168 million.
So people were scared of offering Lonzo a 4 year 80 million dollar contract but are ok with offering Sexton a 5 year 168 mil one?
I don't like that math for someone that Thibs has to TEACH defense.
Lonzo is the better investment because he costs money not assets to obtain.
Most here are always talking about staying the course and trading assets and yet want this trade. Super bizarre. We have to get better and I'm all for trading Knox and Obi but I'd like to get into the lotto this year and/or trade for someone else who wasn't the best player on a losing team.
We might as well go bigger for Lillard if we are trading assets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 9:28:26 GMT -5
First of all if the trade is Obi, Knox and #19 for Colin Sexton I do so in a New York minute! Even quicker if possible. The whole goal this off season is to get better and more talented. Sexton gets us better and more talented while finally filling a need the Knicks have had for a long time. He's a 3 level scorer and uber athletic. And young! He has skills the Knicks need and on the Knicks he will play defense or sit. As for his playmaking it's not Lonzo Ball but it's not bad either. And Sexton doesn't bring the Dad baggage with him. It's an extremely reasonable trade and the Knicks still have cash to go free agent shopping. How about trading for Sexton, signing Kelly Oubre and Patrick Patterson as the backup PF, keeping Rose, Burks and after the smoke has cleared re-upping Taj Gibson?
Anybody disagree that a starting five of Randle, Robinson, Sexton, Oubre and RJ wouldn't be a significant improvement over this season's starting 5? Much more scoring, way more athletic, better off the boards and much more scoring.
Then you have Rose, IQ, Burks, Vildoza, Patterson, Taj and Pelle off the bench. Plus the #21 and #32 draft picks could be pretty decent bigs like Usman Garuba, Trey Murphy, Rene's guy Charles Bassey, Alperen Sengun, Isiah Jackson, Greg Brown (with the second highest vertical in the combine) and Isiah Todd.
Concerning Sexton my understanding is he wasn't happy when Cleveland drafted another PG in Darius Garland. Both are almost exactly the same size but Sexton got stuck guarding the bigger and more physical shooting guards of the league while Garland got the PGs. That is about the only issue I could find about him and Thibs has a way of treating players to bend them to his will. Ask Derrick Rose. Don't ask KAT.
I like Obi especially since he is a local guy but I can see where Cleveland wants the ex Dayton Flyer too and if Obi is the deal breaker don't break the deal!!
The Knicks were never going to use both first round draft picks and keeping in mind Sexton is just 22 the team adds a 24 PPG scorer on a team that finished 26th in the league in scoring in the regular season and last in the playoffs. Sexton takes the pressure off Julius and his ability to penetrate and kick will find open players who can hit shots. Like Julius. I am seriously warming up to Oubre, especially with Sexton, because he can score and defend and he's a great athlete. Now if he can learn to shoot treys he might be the steal of the free agent market.
I like Patrick Patterson as a backup PF and he's from Kentucky BUT Ed Davis and Willy Hernangomez are available too. I like Oubre quite a bit. Don't like Patterson but there are always backup power forwards available. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 9:32:25 GMT -5
I went back and forth on this trade idea and one thing I don't like is when we trade for him, he is up for an extension and his max is 5 years and 168 million. So people were scared of offering Lonzo a 4 year 80 million dollar contract but are ok with offering Sexton a 5 year 168 mil one? I don't like that math for someone that Thibs has to TEACH defense. Lonzo is the better investment because he costs money not assets to obtain. Most here are always talking about staying the course and trading assets and yet want this trade. Super bizarre. We have to get better and I'm all for trading Knox and Obi but I'd like to get into the lotto this year and/or trade for someone else who wasn't the best player on a losing team. We might as well go bigger for Lillard if we are trading assets. Knicks will likely tell Sexton to find a deal. No one will offer him max unless he really blows up. I also believe that if Sexton was in this draft he wpuld go no lower than 5 |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 14, 2021 11:29:26 GMT -5
Knicks would probably do a Lonzo type deal with Sexton when that comes up 4yr 80 mil.What to like about Sexton he average 8 ass a game in college were he had someone to pass,he is a dog tough guy at the point exactly what we need,drives to the hole which Thibs loves ala Dee Rose what Ball can't do and is a Simmons type scardy cat to drive because his freethrows suck ass and he doesn't want to look bad.Sexton can score which is a huge upgrade over Payton.Plus we get cap money openning by doing this deal which opens a offer for Duncan Robinson four year 84 million offer with a 15% trade kicker which we can shove up Riley's ass to match ,he won't but if he swallows then get Powell as a Free agent and Kelly Olynik to backup and space floor if it doesn't work out next year you can flip him and open up free agent money we will have to over a max deal for 2022.Anyway that's my pla ,I am liking Duce McBride as a point guard draft pick with our other pick or Isiah Jackson backup 5.At 32 I'm loving small forward Kessler Edwards.
Think about this team;
Point-Sexton,Duce,Luca,maybe DeeRose on the cheap
SG- Rj,IQ
SF-Robinson,Edwards
PF-Randle,Edwards
C- Mitch,Olynik
Sexton is young 22 might be answer,we can always flip him for a pick next year if he doesn't workout we own at 6 mil per great deal.I do both Dallas picks and Knox.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 14, 2021 11:40:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 12:53:23 GMT -5
A lot of people who prefer Ball because he costs just money should ask themselves why this is the case. Cleveland is looking for assets for Sexton while the reports are yesterday that the Pelicans won’t match an offer for Ball. And I’m also reading the Knicks have little interest in him and he’s Chicago bound anyway. To me NO not matching is a huge red flag. I’d welcome Ball as well, but Sexton is a far superior player. His defense is concerning but a defensive oriented coach like Thibs would not be on board with this trade if he didn’t think the ability to improve is there. I think sometimes we worry about the little things and it makes us ignore the obvious, and the obvious is that Sexton is an immense upgrade in talent for this team, and as Gates pointed out, on paper it’s vital we greatly improve to even stay where we are.
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The whole goal this off season is to get better and more talented. Sexton gets us better and more talented while finally filling a need the Knicks have had for a long time. He's a 3 level scorer and uber athletic. And young! He has skills the Knicks need and on the Knicks he will play defense or sit. As for his playmaking it's not Lonzo Ball but it's not bad either. And Sexton doesn't bring the Dad baggage with him. 
