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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 21, 2021 23:23:30 GMT -5
Duarte is a good shooter but I worry about IQ when passing out of double team,scary passes.We have a smart team ,Randle sosos but we have high IQ guys ,I'd like to stay that way.
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The Draft
Jul 22, 2021 9:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 22, 2021 9:51:58 GMT -5
Today, one week from the draft my preference is Usman Garuba. Wildly athletic and with a 7’2 wingspan he is the best defender in the draft with international experience and still just 19. He can play either center or power forward. His offense lags behind his defense but playing behind Randle and Robinson he’s not going to play major minutes but his learning curve should be accelerated. Our next 2 picks depend entirely on availability but Garuba should be there at #19.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 22, 2021 17:02:55 GMT -5
I want a guard or a wing if we stay at 19 and 21. Not a center or PF.
Unless we are replacing Randle what would be the point. We barely have playing time for Obi
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 22, 2021 23:08:36 GMT -5
I want a guard or a wing if we stay at 19 and 21. Not a center or PF. Unless we are replacing Randle what would be the point. We barely have playing time for Obi
Mostly I want Garuba because with him the Knicks can trade Obi for Colin Sexton. Sexton is a huge difference maker in this off season. Getting him should be a priority.
Usman is a plug and play kid with a mature NBA ready body and a high basketball IQ. The mechanics on his shot look decent so potentially he is a stretch player. I do agree the Knicks need a wing player but they have another couple of picks in the draft (so far) and free agency. Maybe they make an offer to your guy Duncan Robinson or find a way to get Trey Murphy or sign Kelly Oubre outright. You could even make an argument for a return of Dougie McBuckets. 
To me a. perfect off season would be Garuba in the draft, a trade for Sexton and signing Oubre. Sexton and Oubre address the Knicks most crying need of scoring. Usman gives the Knicks front court depth insurance. All 3 are uber athletic and YOUNG with the 25 year old Oubre being the oldest guy we get. Give me Rose, Burks and Taj and I'm a very happy guy. |
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jul 23, 2021 8:39:59 GMT -5
Garuba reminds me of a Rodman type agressive play,he's incredible loose ball guy ,he simply gets his hands on everthing on the floor,I love the guy as a backup five to be honest ,I also love Isah Jackson he is similar but I think both will go before 19.I think a backup five is a need for sure,Tobi can't play the five and is a backup four so the need is there Noel might get 10 and I'm not giving Noel 10 mil a year.I like Garuba alot and he is a weird guy to cast because he is unusual in size and wingspan.I really like his upside and shooting potential too.Garuba has something you can't teach is heart and hustle and going all out like Mitch he will probably get in some foul trouble early on .This draft is very good alot of great options it's really hard to fuck up this draft the key is to get the best one so that's harder,I'm hearing Murphy is a great guy ,Knicks love great guys,leaders,smart hard worker need only apply and apparently Murphy Jr is tops there.Also Jalen Johnson has Paul Pierce type potential apparently he is also a very high upside guy who hasn't got his shot yet right but man does he do everything else he would be huge small forward type great smart passer 7 ft wingspan plays great dee and rebounds and runs ,if his shot was on he would be top five but questions about leaving college might gives us shot at him.He can play the four or three easy,he would be a better point forward than Randle out the gate. It's hard to pin down Knicks but I suspect they really like some guys and Jalen Johnson is one I think, here is his scouting report; nbadraftroom.com/p/jalen-johnson/When I hear lockdown defender my ears perk,he also is a point guard on breaks at 6-9 pretty sick point forward kinda fits need for us,did I mention he is killer on the boards love that.He gets board and rips down court he could be the fastbreak answer to our dreams of ever running.I mention Oubre Jr interest on other post we could have Jalen backup Oubre Jr and have two 6-9 small forwards that's huge.they could push each other to get better.Jalen has franchise type potential if he ever gets shot right,we have to make sure we can do that before we go for him.I think we trade our two picks to get him and I would be fine hope Garuba drops to 32.We would have lockdown defender from the 3 and five that is huge and young to grow. |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 24, 2021 20:58:59 GMT -5
If we trade up I want this guy if we can't get Bouknight:
Young man is a great on ball defender and 3point shooter/mid range player.
Essentially everything we wanted Frank to be and more.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 24, 2021 23:27:29 GMT -5
If we trade up I want this guy if we can't get Bouknight: Young man is a great on ball defender and 3point shooter/mid range player. Essentially everything we wanted Frank to be and more. |
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 25, 2021 9:51:32 GMT -5
I know nba draft net isn’t the greatest but they have Murphy going at 31 to Milwaukee! Every player we seem to like everyone says might be gone by the time we pick. Duarte is another example. I’m more and more against the Knicks moving up because I don’t want them to draft scared. By drafting scared I mean being afraid the players they like being gone by 19. Well if players projected in the twenties and thirties are gone by 19, that means players projected in the early teens are slipping, right? Please Knicks, don’t move up and draft a guy only to have everyone say they could of had him at 19. If you can go move up five places or more by packaging 32 and 19 I don’t mind, but please, not both number ones to move up a few places. Then again, it could be all academic and we’ll be moving those picks for a Sexton, Beal or Dame.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 25, 2021 10:13:21 GMT -5
I know nba draft net isn’t the greatest but they have Murphy going at 31 to Milwaukee! Every player we seem to like everyone says might be gone by the time we pick. Duarte is another example. I’m more and more against the Knicks moving up because I don’t want them to draft scared. By drafting scared I mean being afraid the players they like being gone by 19. Well if players projected in the twenties and thirties are gone by 19, that means players projected in the early teens are slipping, right? Please Knicks, don’t move up and draft a guy only to have everyone say they could of had him at 19. If you can go move up five places or more by packaging 32 and 19 I don’t mind, but please, not both number ones to move up a few places. Then again, it could be all academic and we’ll be moving those picks for a Sexton, Beal or Dame. My friend with all due respect you should've stopped at your first sentence. NBADRAFT.NET hasn't been a good resource since Donnie Walsh ran our team. There are like 8 other resources you could've made your point with that at minimum keeps their site updated with relevant scouting reports. ESPN, Yahoo Sports, Fox Sports, Tankathon.com, Jonathan Wasserman, etc are better. With that also said, every team wants to one up the other. We aren't the only team with multiple first rounders. A team like Houston, Golden State for example have multiple and are interested in one upping who they're drafted near too. |
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 25, 2021 11:02:20 GMT -5
But to be fair, nba draft net also has a consensus mock draft which takes them out of the picture and that’s the one I look at. If you check a few of the others, The Ringer has Murphy going to the Knicks, but not even at their first pick, at 21. NBC has him going to the Lakers at pick 25. All of which brings me back to my original point, which is don’t trade up and grab someone you could have gotten anyway. And if players like Duarte or Murphy go earlier than expected, doesn’t it just push down other players projected higher to us at 19? I would prefer they stay where they are if they’re not trading the picks for established NBA stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 11:49:04 GMT -5
I know nba draft net isn’t the greatest but they have Murphy going at 31 to Milwaukee! Every player we seem to like everyone says might be gone by the time we pick. Duarte is another example. I’m more and more against the Knicks moving up because I don’t want them to draft scared. By drafting scared I mean being afraid the players they like being gone by 19. Well if players projected in the twenties and thirties are gone by 19, that means players projected in the early teens are slipping, right? Please Knicks, don’t move up and draft a guy only to have everyone say they could of had him at 19. If you can go move up five places or more by packaging 32 and 19 I don’t mind, but please, not both number ones to move up a few places. Then again, it could be all academic and we’ll be moving those picks for a Sexton, Beal or Dame. Great logic but what if you trade 19 and 21 and go to 15 AND get the next Giannis. I'm of the if there is a guy you love go get him. I know that is a football perspective but we should moved up instead of taking Jordan Hill. |
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Post by jbnewyork162 on Jul 25, 2021 13:23:49 GMT -5
I know nba draft net isn’t the greatest but they have Murphy going at 31 to Milwaukee! Every player we seem to like everyone says might be gone by the time we pick. Duarte is another example. I’m more and more against the Knicks moving up because I don’t want them to draft scared. By drafting scared I mean being afraid the players they like being gone by 19. Well if players projected in the twenties and thirties are gone by 19, that means players projected in the early teens are slipping, right? Please Knicks, don’t move up and draft a guy only to have everyone say they could of had him at 19. If you can go move up five places or more by packaging 32 and 19 I don’t mind, but please, not both number ones to move up a few places. Then again, it could be all academic and we’ll be moving those picks for a Sexton, Beal or Dame. Great logic but what if you trade 19 and 21 and go to 15 AND get the next Giannis. I'm of the if there is a guy you love go get him. I know that is a football perspective but we should moved up instead of taking Jordan Hill. Word. We could've just guaranteed Minnesota that we wouldn't take Rubio or Flynn and gave them a future pick. Walsh was big on not trading picks even to move up |
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Post by daglazer on Jul 25, 2021 15:00:49 GMT -5
It's hard to pin down Knicks but I suspect they really like some guys and Jalen Johnson is one I think, here is his scouting report; nbadraftroom.com/p/jalen-johnson/When I hear lockdown defender my ears perk,he also is a point guard on breaks at 6-9 pretty sick point forward kinda fits need for us,did I mention he is killer on the boards love that. He gets board and rips down court he could be the fastbreak answer to our dreams of ever running. I mention Oubre Jr interest on other post we could have Jalen backup Oubre Jr and have two 6-9 small forwards that's huge. they could push each other to get better. Jalen has franchise type potential if he ever gets shot right,we have to make sure we can do that before we go for him. I think we trade our two picks to get him and I would be fine hope Garuba drops to 32. We would have lockdown defender from the 3 and five that is huge and young to grow.
We do NOT want Jalen Johnson. He is extremely talented, but he lacks a consistent jump shot and more importantly, he lacks the internal fortitude to succeed. He was Duke's most talented player and the team got MUCH better after he quit on the team. Just not a winning player. He is going to be a classic stat stuffer on a losing team.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jul 25, 2021 22:44:07 GMT -5
I can't see the Knicks taking 2 guys in the first round but no matter what they do it's a lock they need to draft before #19 to get Trey Murphy. I have seen mock drafts where guys like Zaire Williams or Kai Jones fall to the Knicks but I also look at a lot of mock drafts from different sources and Trey Murphy is trending up. I see 7-8 guys who are top 10 locks and after that it's anybody's guess who gets who. I tend to agree with Mark that if the Knicks keep their picks they will get good players but if they want Murphy I think they need to be in the 8-13 range. I think Garuba is reasonable for #19 and I would be happy with him as he is more NBA ready than most guys we could draft. I like Zaire Williams too and Jones is a long athletic freak. But like Garuba I think Murphy is more NBA ready than a lot of his fellow draftees and it's important that the Knicks draft a guy who is a rotational fit now.
BTW if Dave chases us off over a Dookie we best listen to him.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 26, 2021 7:54:15 GMT -5
Gates, I think I’ve been burned by too many bad Knicks draft decisions in the past. So while you make an excellent point, my mind is saying we trade the two picks and move up and wind up drafting the next Nlitikina or Knox, while the next Mitchell, SGA or Porter go to the team we swapped with at 19 and 21.
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