BIG Summer

[irish2u2]

I can get past the disappointment of the Hawks series, especially the last game, knowing the Knicks can get way better this summer. The Knicks are nowhere near their ceiling and they have plenty of options through the draft, free agency and trades to get better. 

The Knicks will have the following players available in free agency.

Elfrid Payton
Nerlens Noel
Reggie Bullock
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
Theo Pinson
Jared Harper
Frank Ntilikina (qualifying offer)
Mitchell Robinson (team option)

With 50 million committed and a projected cap of 112 million the Knicks have a lot of options financially. 

But you know the Knicks will re-sign some off their free agents. It's a mortal lock the Knicks exercise their team option on Robinson. It's just as much a mortal lock they renounce Payton. It's also a mortal lock the Knicks re-sign Derrick Rose.

Rose turns 33 in October so the Knicks should be looking at a 2 year deal and no more than 3 in the 15-20 million per annum range. Maybe less since we have to figure the losses all teams took due to COVID-19. I'm thinking the management keeps either Burks or Bullock, but not both, and Noel. None of these players except Rose are written in stone though.Before renouncing Ntilikina he becomes trade material. As does Kevin Knox and even Obi Toppin. The Knicks have several possible trade scenarios to address issues at PG and SF and with scoring. 

The date for free agency this year is August 2nd which gives the Knicks a lot of time to consider their various issues. Let me first say how adamantly I am against signing Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry because of cost and age. The Suns are in a far better situation to sign a player like Paul than the Knicks especially given the health concerns of both CP3 and Lowry. The Suns simply have more talent. Lowry is a wonderful player but like Paul he's at the tail end of his career. 

I'm not enamored of Lonzo Ball either. Or DeMar DeRozan. To me the safe bet right now and a major talent upgrade is Norman Powell. I don't believe Powell will cost the Knicks a ton of money (20 mil max) and he's a fit. He brings athleticism, scoring, shooting, versatility, defense and he's a team guy. Powell is a talent upgrade on a team that needs upgraded talent. A safe addition to make the Knicks better and because he is a free agent the Knicks likely keep Burks and Noel while not putting players like Obi or Mitch on the market. 

But if Trae Young is on the Knicks they would be playing Philadelphia in the playoffs but a talent like Young is rare. I don't see too many contributors in the draft either though the Knicks can parlay multiple picks into a lottery pick. I can rattle off a dozen players plus Young who immediately make the Knicks a serious playoff contender (Beal, Dame, LaVine, Ingram, etc.) but even if any are available they would cost us too much. The core of the Knicks are Randle, Rose and RJ which is a nice start but right now none of these players is a fit as a go to #1 option. Not like Trae Young. But to seriously upgrade talent the Knicks may have to roll the dice. 

Can anyone say Colin Sexton? Only 22 years old coming off a season where he averaged 24.3 PPG and shot 48% from the field and 37% from the arc. Trae Young averages 25.3 PPG on 44% from the field and 34% from beyond the arc. The difference in the two players is Young averages over 9 APG while Sexton only averaged 4.4. The rumors are Sexton is not popular in the locker room because he is viewed as a ball hog. The numbers back that up. But he is only 22 with serious skills and scoring ability at a position the Knicks vitally need an upgrade at long term. I have questions about the mix with Rose and certainly adding Sexton crowds Burks out but the real question is cost. 

Sexton is available because of the play of Darius Garland and the emergence of Isaac Okoro. He's also in that max extension window. When Sexton and Garland played together they were explosive scorers but seriously over matched on defense. So much so they were the WORST backcourt tandem on defense in the NBA. They were also the shortest starting tandem in the NBA. Sexton is the same height as Young, a better athlete though maybe a tad less skilled and so far in his career he hasn't shown a lot as a lead guard. Garland is the better playmaker who still scores 17 PPG plus the Cavs feel their first round pick this year, Isaac Okoro, can be their starting SG. Okoro is 6'5, an uber athlete and he does play defense. 

Straight up Sexton would cost draft picks and multiple players. Maybe even both Toppin and IQ and there are questions about chemistry. The Knicks could seriously lessen the talent cost by absorbing salary. Namely Kevin Love. Love is due 60 million over the next 2 years. He's been hurt a lot but he can still play and the Knicks have the room in their cap. Taking on Love dramatically lowers the cost of the trade. You go from multiple first round picks to maybe one. The Cavs might take Knox and filler to make the deal work. I'm thinking they would also want Obi but the Knicks keep IQ. I know it's radical to take on Love but the Cavs are desperate to shed him and one of the options the Knicks have is cap room. This is one way to use cap room especially if you feel the free agent market is weak. 

I think before you consider any trade you have to consider the chemistry. Sexton is an intense player and fairly smart and Cleveland is a hot mess so I would not judge Colin too harshly on the chemistry on that team. On our team there are a number of leaders so the question is can Colin fit in with the Knicks dynamic. His skill set is perfect for the Knicks. He can score and he can get his own shot. He is an explosive athlete. His defense will get better.   He's also noted as a hard worker. Think Jimmy Butler's chemistry issues with the Wolves and see how he has fit in with Miami. Sexton is no Jimmy Butler but he is an intense, hard working player and the Knicks team chemistry is certainly an asset.

Safe bet is Powell. The risky bet is Sexton who brings a little more offense to the team. Taking on Love isn't anything but a money deal. In fact my hope is the Knicks keep Obi and just release Love. If we can keep Obi throw another first rounder into the package. 

Skipping past trades and free agency is the draft. The Knicks have 4 picks in the draft and 2 first rounders next year. They have the 19th, 21st, 32nd and 58th picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking so much at particular players now till the combines but several kids out of the top 5 sure picks do interest me. Namely Baylor's Davion Mitchell and Arkansas Moses Moody. I also like Rene's guy C/PF Charles Bassey or Kentucky's big Isiah Washington with the later picks. 

To me the most exciting part of the off season is the range of options the Knicks have to get better. As many of you pointed out the Knicks have a high ceiling and now a taste of playoff basketball. A lot of you have also said the Knicks signature is hard work and hustle and in the playoffs everybody plays hard. It comes down to talent and the Knicks have the means to get more talented. Randle is better as a #2 option. RJ might be a #1 option in the next few years but in the playoffs Rose was the most dynamic offensive player and right there is the heart of the issue. Rose works best coming off the bench which means another dynamic scorer need be added to the mix. I'm thinking interior defense and rebounding are helped by a healthy Mitch Robinson but perhaps an upgrade at SF helps. 

Another huge factor is timing. The draft is on July 29th. Free agency starts on August 2nd. Normally more than a month separates the draft and free agency. We are looking at 4 days. But the strength of this Knicks team has been their management so while the window is tight the Knicks can make deals. Good deals.

Right now I am not advocating anything past improving the talent of the Knicks. Before anybody goes batshit crazy at trading for Kevin Love consider the economics of today's NBA and also consider it's a 2 year cap hit to get maybe a superstar PG. I know RJ will improve. Maybe Randle improves too though I think he is at his ceiling. Counting on Derrick Rose as one of your top 3 players is dangerous at best. IQ and Obi both showed immense promise. Also who knows who wants out and might be available. Beal is on the fence about his future. I have heard some talk Ingram might be available for the right price. Zach LaVine too. We have almost 2 months till the draft and a lot will happen. Right now Sexton is a viable option. But to some of you maybe not. 

Thoughts? Opinions? Candidates for trade, free agency or the draft?

[rxmeister]

I like the idea of Sexton if Thibs thinks there’s a chance he can turn into anything other than what he is on defense, which is horrific. And did you just say 15-20 a year for Derrick Rose? Three years? He’s coming off a 2/15 contract and that’s what I would offer him, although I might go 2/20. He was great for the Knicks this year, but it was obvious he was worn down by the end of the playoffs, and that was a five game series. They need a young point guard who will be on the court 35 minutes and is good enough to play with the game on the line. Sexton? Ball? Brunson? I’m fine with all of them and Rose back off the bench. Not sure he’d be happy in that role though. Unlike you, Bill, I wouldn’t mind an older PG too, and Lowry would be my top choice here, with CP3 second. And Rose would fit in perfectly as their backup, because you’re talking about 30 minutes top for the older point guard. I’m gonna make my friends Jason and Bill a bit angry here, but I don’t see the bright future you see for RJ Barrett. I love the guy too, but I don’t see superstardom in his game ever. He’s going to get much better, but I’m not sure he’ll even be an all star. If I could get Beal, Mitchell, or Dame for him I’d do it in a heartbeat. I know Knicks fans like to complain when he’s left off teams like all rookie, most improved, and best players under 25, etc. but I think that’s because the majority of the NBA, which aren’t Knicks fans, shares my view on him. I remain high on Randle though. I think he’ll be as good or better next year, but he needs help, because although he’s a superstar, he’s not an elite one, like a Kawhi, LeBron, Luka etc that can’t be stopped no matter how you game plan. I have a ton of more thoughts that I’m sure nobody likes or agrees with, but I’m in the middle of my 13 hours a day shifts so I’ll see you all on Sunday!

[irish2u2]

Jun 4, 2021 6:47:06 GMT -5 rxmeister said:

I like the idea of Sexton if Thibs thinks there’s a chance he can turn into anything other than what he is on defense, which is horrific. And did you just say 15-20 a year for Derrick Rose? Three years? He’s coming off a 2/15 contract and that’s what I would offer him, although I might go 2/20. He was great for the Knicks this year, but it was obvious he was worn down by the end of the playoffs, and that was a five game series. They need a young point guard who will be on the court 35 minutes and is good enough to play with the game on the line. Sexton? Ball? Brunson? I’m fine with all of them and Rose back off the bench. Not sure he’d be happy in that role though. Unlike you, Bill, I wouldn’t mind an older PG too, and Lowry would be my top choice here, with CP3 second. And Rose would fit in perfectly as their backup, because you’re talking about 30 minutes top for the older point guard. I’m gonna make my friends Jason and Bill a bit angry here, but I don’t see the bright future you see for RJ Barrett. I love the guy too, but I don’t see superstardom in his game ever. He’s going to get much better, but I’m not sure he’ll even be an all star. If I could get Beal, Mitchell, or Dame for him I’d do it in a heartbeat. I know Knicks fans like to complain when he’s left off teams like all rookie, most improved, and best players under 25, etc. but I think that’s because the majority of the NBA, which aren’t Knicks fans, shares my view on him. I remain high on Randle though. I think he’ll be as good or better next year, but he needs help, because although he’s a superstar, he’s not an elite one, like a Kawhi, LeBron, Luka etc that can’t be stopped no matter how you game plan. I have a ton of more thoughts that I’m sure nobody likes or agrees with, but I’m in the middle of my 13 hours a day shifts so I’ll see you all on Sunday!

Mark

As always interesting and insightful points.

Sexton is horrific on defense mainly because he is usually guarding taller shooting guards. I'm sure Thibs can make him a better defender as he did with Rose, Randle, RJ, etc. especially if Sexton is playing defense exclusively against other PGs. Besides Trae Young's defense is not stellar but his offense cancels out deficiencies on the other end of the court. 

The Knicks are nowhere near as talented as Phoenix so the effect of an older All-Star guard wouldn't be as impactful and let's face it only CP3 is going to make any real impact and we don't have a Devin Booker type to pair him with on our team. Booker is another guy who elevates the Knicks to the next level. 

You are probably right on Rose's next contract especially if the Knicks can find a way for DRose to be a 20 MPG bench player. 2 years/20 max. Maybe 25 because Thibs does love him some DRose.  You are also right on RJ. Maybe. What separates RJ from superstar level play is the fact that he is not an elite athlete. His skill set is getting better but not yet elite. The only superstar level players I think are not elite athletes like Curry, Luka and Jokic also possess elite skill sets. RJ is just 20 years old and with his desire and work ethic he may yet work himself up to elite by improving his skill set but chances are he may be an all star player and not a superstar. To be honest Randle is not going to be a superstar and neither will Sexton. I love RJ but depending on the trade package every Knick is expendable in the right trade. 

The wildcard in all this is Leon Rose and World Wide Wes. So far they have pushed all the right buttons and they have showed themselves to be shrewd dealers and very knowledgeable judges of talent. This summer is vital to the Knicks growth and I have a lot of optimism our management team will do a stellar job. 

[irish2u2]

BTW, EVERYTHING changes if Kawhi Leonard becomes a Knick. I don't see it happening but a lot of things have happened I never saw coming and Leonard is an enigma wrapped up in a mystery.   The Knicks have made themselves more attractive to elite free agents and no free agent this summer is more elite than Leonard. Leonard also knows the Knicks could be a good fit for him too if the Clippers fail to win a title. 

OR the Knicks keep doing what they are doing and maybe in a few years somebody like Luka Doncic finds the Knicks irresistible. Personally I can see that happening and karma wise it would be perfect. 

[jbnewyork162]

Jun 4, 2021 10:06:42 GMT -5 irish2u2 said:

BTW, EVERYTHING changes if Kawhi Leonard becomes a Knick. I don't see it happening but a lot of things have happened I never saw coming and Leonard is an enigma wrapped up in a mystery.   The Knicks have made themselves more attractive to elite free agents and no free agent this summer is more elite than Leonard. Leonard also knows the Knicks could be a good fit for him too if the Clippers fail to win a title. 

OR the Knicks keep doing what they are doing and maybe in a few years somebody like Luka Doncic finds the Knicks irresistible. Personally I can see that happening and karma wise it would be perfect. 

Out of everything that you said this I agree with most.

Kawhi could be in play because of two reasons.

One is the fact we are a playoff team again and the East is easier to get to the trophy round than the West where that team seems to have hit a ceiling.

AND two Leon Rose and World Wide Wes. I want to see what type of gravitas after a full year under their belt, of what those two can REALLY do. William Wesley specifically is connected to so many high profile people like athletes, ex presidents and celebrities, I want to see if he can pitch usually unsure about NY free agents to NY.

The only things that scare me about Kawhi is Thibs running him unto the ground DURING the season, like Randle and RJ. And, Kawhis load management bullshit which is not a Thibs trait unless you are REALLY hurt, see. MITCH.

That's the free agent which will have other high quality role players to follow after him.

And we could get him for free. We beat the Clippers so honestly the sell might not be that hard.

We'll see.

[pearl]

This is an important summer for many reasons;

1. With all our draft capital, we need to decide do we part with half of those assets in a trade, or build up from the draft. I'd like to do both,however a trade fro Beal or Dame will cost us Mitch, Obi and or IQ. Not sure I want to deplete our young talent pool for guards who are in their prime, however heading towards the back end of that prime.

2. I thought Leon and Wes should have been more aggressive at this years trade deadline, so the jury is still out on how effective they truly are as a front office. So far, what I like is they haven't over payed for anyone, so that shows discipline and restraint, facets that prior Knick management absolutely did not have.

3. As for free-agents, Kawhi is at the top of my list, however I don't believe he will leave LA, win or lose to the Mavs. More realistically, I see Lonzo being pursued heavily with better than 50-50 odds of obtaining him. I believe with his upside, that is a very good acquisition. Norman Powell could help as well and provide the 3 point shooting and offense the Knicks desperatly need. As importantly, we need a rugged power forward off the bench and Montrezl is a prime target for me.

4. Should a big trade be in the works, I have a gut feeling Mitch is trade bait, along with Obi and 2 number one picks and 2 two's for a superstar.

Time will tell.

Pearl.

[rxmeister]

Our success this year makes it more likely quality players want to come here, but we’ve gotten our hopes up too many times in the past, so I refuse to set myself up for disappointment by setting my expectations too high. Therefore I have decided to not even think of elite superstars coming here and hope we can make another jump in 2021 so I can expect something great in 2022. So no Dame, no Beal and no Kawhi in my thoughts until I actually hear them demanding NY or in the case of Kawhi, requesting a meeting. And should we make a giant deal for Beal knowing we can get him as an unrestricted free agent in 2022? Same thing when it comes to Zach Lavine by the way. SAS claims he’s talked to players and they don’t want to play with Julius Randle! WTF? His teammates revere him, and he’s unselfish on the court. I can understand a ball dominant PG worrying about playing with a ball dominant power forward, but I can’t believe that they can’t work it out, I’m going to discount this. Another problem I find a bit more possible is playing for Thibs. Let’s face it, elite superstars literally want total control over anything, and a coach like Thibs isn’t giving them the keys to the castle. I think that eliminates certain players like a Kawhi or those Brooklyn prima donnas, but most free agents would still be amenable I believe. I think the play for Ball is the right one and I sign him to an offer sheet immediately and dare them to match. I worry about them matching and sending him elsewhere in a sign and trade, but there’s too many other options out there to give big money AND a big package to get him. Some think Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul are too old, but I like them a lot and they give you a one or two year reprieve in finding your franchise point guard, which could even be solved by Luca or one of your two first round picks this year. And could Lowry make you more attractive to Kawhi? Dammit, I promised I wouldn’t do that! I also like DeRozen, he’s that dead eye assassin we need when the game is on the line. He seems like a real Thibs type player too, as he was for Pop, who is also old school. And yeah, we need to up our bench with three point shooters, especially if we sign DeRozen. Fournier?

[irish2u2]

Jun 6, 2021 10:55:15 GMT -5 rxmeister said:

Our success this year makes it more likely quality players want to come here, but we’ve gotten our hopes up too many times in the past, so I refuse to set myself up for disappointment by setting my expectations too high. Therefore I have decided to not even think of elite superstars coming here and hope we can make another jump in 2021 so I can expect something great in 2022. So no Dame, no Beal and no Kawhi in my thoughts until I actually hear them demanding NY or in the case of Kawhi, requesting a meeting. And should we make a giant deal for Beal knowing we can get him as an unrestricted free agent in 2022? Same thing when it comes to Zach Lavine by the way. SAS claims he’s talked to players and they don’t want to play with Julius Randle! WTF? His teammates revere him, and he’s unselfish on the court. I can understand a ball dominant PG worrying about playing with a ball dominant power forward, but I can’t believe that they can’t work it out, I’m going to discount this. Another problem I find a bit more possible is playing for Thibs. Let’s face it, elite superstars literally want total control over anything, and a coach like Thibs isn’t giving them the keys to the castle. I think that eliminates certain players like a Kawhi or those Brooklyn prima donnas, but most free agents would still be amenable I believe. I think the play for Ball is the right one and I sign him to an offer sheet immediately and dare them to match. I worry about them matching and sending him elsewhere in a sign and trade, but there’s too many other options out there to give big money AND a big package to get him. Some think Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul are too old, but I like them a lot and they give you a one or two year reprieve in finding your franchise point guard, which could even be solved by Luca or one of your two first round picks this year. And could Lowry make you more attractive to Kawhi? Dammit, I promised I wouldn’t do that! I also like DeRozen, he’s that dead eye assassin we need when the game is on the line. He seems like a real Thibs type player too, as he was for Pop, who is also old school. And yeah, we need to up our bench with three point shooters, especially if we sign DeRozen. Fournier?

SAS is an asshat. Most media types are asshats but SAS is the one they turn and bow to in reverence. 

I like DeRozan. A lot. Great scorer, good guy, good teammate but he's going to be 32 in August and he's a career 28% 3 point shooter coming consecutive 26% shooting seasons. Hard pass. 

I think you have to be a certain type of player to play for Thibs. I think Leonard could play for Thibs but Tom would have to bend his approach. A lot.   You can make sacrifices when a player is elite but while I believe Harden could play for Thibs I believe KD is less than 50/50 and Irving is 0%. We dodged a bullet to the head when Kyrie decided on Brooklyn. 

I go for Ball only after the Knicks add scoring. I'm not sure this past season is enough proof he can score more mainly because he still has that ugly ass jumper and playing in the Big Spotlight has proved daunting to more than a few players. 

Paul or Lowry aren't coming to the Knicks as placeholders for the next Clyde.   Having either actually lessens the chances of finding that next superstar level rookie. I do think the rebuilding plan has accelerated but unless some megastar demands a trade to New York it's still going to be modest upgrades. For now. 

[ReneNYG1]

Obvious trade target Lillard but that won't happen,I would sign Leonard in heartbeat if he bolts.As for free agents I would like to add three if Leonard not coming ,first to address the loss of Burks,Noel and Bullock I would go all out to sign Nunn he fits our timeline and can shoot lightsout.He can develop into nice point combo with IQ and Rose.As for a wing since Leonard is not coming I would target Will Barton he is a better shooter and defender than Bullock or Burks and would be a huge upgrade.I would try to sign Noel cheap if he wants the bag I would pass and sign a nice backup PF /C who can hit three in Olynyk who can backup both center and power forward.As far as the draft goes I figures we can trade our two first and det second for the 5th pick in this draft which is worth 2240 our picks worth 19th=1030,21th -=920 and the 34th is 320 for a total of 2270 more than the 5th pick is worth plus I throwin Knox to seal deal and draft the best player fit for us in Scottie Barnes who I think is a Simmons type point who defends all five positions.He is a cross between Magic and Draymond either way great upside and is a swing for the fences pick.Guy is 6-9 with a huge 7-2 wingspan needless to say he is one of the best defenders in draft,goes all out with effort you have to love that too,As he is learning he can play small forward and relieve some of the play making from Randle.Resign Rose is a must off course.Fun year great improvements and nice coaching,got to give it to Hawks they played great and deserved it.Nice to see them beat sixers easy makes our loss not as bad.We should preserve cap for trades so signing these three should not break bank for absorbing player contract in deal for superstar down the line.Remember we are losing salaries too as I let Knox and Frankie walk and not reupping Noel,Burks and Bullock.If anybody wants to gives us discount and sign cheap then they could come back like Frankie and Noel otherwise later.Barnes has great vision for the outlet passes he is a project for upside but is a lock for defense ,passing and rebounding right away.I also love Franz Wagner so we can get a nice wing at fifth pick.both guys are 6-9 Franz is a better fit with shooting so I'm going back and fourth between the two prospects .Adding better pieces to bench is also a great idea and I love the McDermott interest as he would add shooting for the bench.
so recap
1- Will Barton sg/sf
2-Doug McDermott sf
3-Kelly Olynyk -PF/C
4-Kriss Nunn-PG
Resign Rose
Extend Mitch and Randle.
Tradeup in draft get huge SF Starter

I think with a second year of coaching and improving a nice long off season to practice this team with these up grades could compete.

[jbnewyork162]

Jun 7, 2021 11:38:16 GMT -5 ReneNYG1 said:

Obvious trade target Lillard but that won't happen,I would sign Leonard in heartbeat if he bolts.As for free agents I would like to add three if Leonard not coming ,first to address the loss of Burks,Noel and Bullock I would go all out to sign Nunn he fits our timeline and can shoot lightsout.He can develop into nice point combo with IQ and Rose.As for a wing since Leonard is not coming I would target Will Barton he is a better shooter and defender than Bullock or Burks and would be a huge upgrade.I would try to sign Noel cheap if he wants the bag I would pass and sign a nice backup PF /C who can hit three in Olynyk who can backup both center and power forward.As far as the draft goes I figures we can trade our two first and det second for the 5th pick in this draft which is worth 2240 our picks worth 19th=1030,21th -=920 and the 34th is 320 for a total of 2270 more than the 5th pick is worth plus I throwin Knox to seal deal and draft the best player fit for us in Scottie Barnes who I think is a Simmons type point who defends all five positions.He is a cross between Magic and Draymond either way great upside and is a swing for the fences pick.Guy is 6-9 with a huge 7-2 wingspan needless to say he is one of the best defenders in draft,goes all out with effort you have to love that too,As he is learning he can play small forward and relieve some of the play making from Randle.Resign Rose is a must off course.Fun year great improvements and nice coaching,got to give it to Hawks they played great and deserved it.Nice to see them beat sixers easy makes our loss not as bad.We should preserve cap for trades so signing these three should not break bank for absorbing player contract in deal for superstar down the line.Remember we are losing salaries too as I let Knox and Frankie walk and not reupping Noel,Burks and Bullock.If anybody wants to gives us discount and sign cheap then they could come back like Frankie and Noel otherwise later.Barnes has great vision for the outlet passes he is a project for upside but is a lock for defense ,passing and rebounding right away.I also love Franz Wagner so we can get a nice wing at fifth pick.both guys are 6-9 Franz is a better fit with shooting so I'm going back and fourth between the two prospects .Adding better pieces to bench is also a great idea and I love the McDermott interest as he would add shooting for the bench.
so recap
1- Will Barton sg/sf
2-Doug McDermott sf
3-Kelly Olynyk -PF/C
4-Kriss Nunn-PG
Resign Rose
Extend Mitch and Randle.
Tradeup in draft get huge SF Starter

I like Kelly Olynyk as a stretch 5 as he can shoot and stretch the floor and works hard but we wouldn't get as many blocks on dunks. But with Mitch back that would solve that. Noel I really like but his health and fragility and stone hands scare me.

[ReneNYG1]

Jason Noel hands hurts us too much rebounding and alley oops wise I love the blocks but the other end he's useless.As a bench piece on the cheap yeah but not any thing big money wise.,I love what Barton would add a more consistent shooting wing is exactly what we need and McDermott to back him up would be ideal.Nunn is a great shooter and that is also what Payton did not give.

[jbnewyork162]

Jun 7, 2021 13:09:22 GMT -5 ReneNYG1 said:

Jason Noel hands hurts us too much rebounding and alley oops wise I love the blocks but the other end he's useless.As a bench piece on the cheap yeah but not any thing big money wise.,I love what Barton would add a more consistent shooting wing is exactly what we need and McDermott to back him up would be ideal.Nunn is a great shooter and that is also what Payton did not give.

As far as shooters go I like Duncan Robinson as well. The Heat found a gem in this young man and it would delight to steal something away from them for once.

I was envious of other teams like signed super snipers like Joe Harris(who makes it look easy as other teams look to guard Harden and Kyrie and KD as Harris hits whatever their double teams lend), and Bogdan Bogdonovic, who has that killer scoring and shooting instinct.

We can't be bystanders to our shooters on the market this summer. Either by draft and/or free agency I need high percentage shot makers and scorers who can defend, whether we resign Burks, Bullock or not.

[ReneNYG1]

Thibs wanted to sign Bogs too,he is playing great for Hawks looked like Clay versus us,I think Barton would be huge for us and Dunn.Barton was amazing starting for Denver.

[axios]

Id take a shot at Dinwoodie or Nunn. I like Ball, but unfortunately we have no one who can shoot on our team. Id take Ball, if we had shooters, so RJ would have to go or Randle. I think RJ will be Randle in a year or two anyway, they have similar games.

[ReneNYG1]

Dimwitty gets hurt alot,Robinson wants 20 per and can't play dee,Powell,Oubre might be our guys ,nice fits,Burts coming back on cheap might be okay too.Oubre better lower his 20 per expectations,15 per tops,we need solid pieces to add,maybe three nice pickups for us after resigning Rose,Noel and Burts,maybe Powell,Oubre and trade for Brunson works for me.I can see us trading up in draft for a solid point or wing at the top 4to 6 range.If we don't score point in draft and get nice small forward which is what I would do ,I can see us flipping Dallas number one back to them for Brunson before free agency freeing money for them.Brunson dad works for us in D League he wants to be here and is solid,he would impact our roster like Rose did,he is exactly what we need to split time with Rose at point.Dallas loves him and doesn't want to lose him so a number one back is a little overpay but worth it since he makes peanuts.