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Post by jbnewyork162 on May 24, 2021 8:53:52 GMT -5
I want to resign Burks, Rose, Noel(to a reasonable deal), Mitch and I suppose Bullock. But I want to go either via trade or with some free agency money, hard after a shooter.
I know we need a point guard to replace Payton.
But Atlanta had Huerter(always liked him), Gallo(been there and done that), and Bogdonovic(wanted him last offseason).
What if we go after Miami Heats Duncan Robinson. He's playoff tested hungry and can shoot lights out and he could definitely bolster our 2 guard/wing spot even possibly replacing Bullock if we can sign all three of Burks/Bullock and Duncan.
I don't want to put all our eggs in one basket but we need to be aggressive in the market for shooters and more importantly shot makers.
Thoughts? Any other shooters we can acquire this offseason to take our team up a notch?
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Post by irish2u2 on May 24, 2021 20:58:50 GMT -5
I want to resign Burks, Rose, Noel(to a reasonable deal), Mitch and I suppose Bullock. But I want to go either via trade or with some free agency money, hard after a shooter. I know we need a point guard to replace Payton. But Atlanta had Huerter(always liked him), Gallo(been there and done that), and Bogdonovic(wanted him last offseason). What if we go after Miami Heats Duncan Robinson. He's playoff tested hungry and can shoot lights out and he could definitely bolster our 2 guard/wing spot even possibly replacing Bullock if we can sign all three of Burks/Bullock and Duncan. I don't want to put all our eggs in one basket but we need to be aggressive in the market for shooters and more importantly shot makers. Thoughts? Any other shooters we can acquire this offseason to take our team up a notch?  His future.
Payton is a lock not to be re-signed by the Knicks. I agree with Jason that Rose, Burks and Mitch are the priorities followed by Noel and Bullock. One off the side effects of COVID-19 is the hit most teams took on revenue which cuts down how much they are willing to spend on free agents. That said we could get all our free agents at decently reasonable rates.
Then what? I think Duncan Robinson could help the Knicks but two things come to mind. First is Miami is going to keep him and if they don't we'd have to seriously over pay him. Second is Robinson is a great shooter and an adequate defender but he's not a dynamic scorer. The Knicks need a dynamic scorer. BUT I also think Bogdanovic would have been a perfect fit because unlike Robinson he can score off the bounce.
Preferably we could sign/trade for a scorer to be our #1 option. I have mentioned Bradley Beal before and he's a perfect fit. But it would cost a lot to get Beal. A LOT. If Philly doesn't make the Finals and/or win the whole thing Tobias Harris could be on the market. The catch is Tobias is due 106 million over the next 3 years. Plus would Philly trade with the Knicks? Likely not. Who else is out there? I don't want the Knicks thinking immediate which means Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul are out. Kawhi isn't leaving the Clippers. I can't think of a superstar we could get without overpaying in a trade like Melo or hoping and praying in free agency. I don't think we need to act desperate either given how well the Knicks did THIS year knowing the assets they can add in the the next 3 or 4 years.
My thinking is the Knicks spent some of their cap room on Luka Vildoza for a reason. The kid is a player and I think the Knicks feel he can take Payton's place at PG and partner with DRose, IQ and Burks. Putting Vildoza into the rotation means the Knicks can get less specific addressing their needs position wise. I don't think NY can get the superstar scorer they wish but as they have proved this year they can win by committee and that means better talent. Upgrade the talent and add scoring.
I like DeMar DeRozan but he's a horrendous 3 point shooter and he's going to be 32. Those two things alone make him a hard pass but he'll also want to get paid. Do I want a 20+ million a year player who is 32 years old and shoots 26% from the 3 point line? My choice all along stays the same. Norman Powell. He's a swingman though I see him at SG with RJ moving to SF. Powell can score and he's a good shooter. He's in the prime of his career and he's worked with good teams and good players before. He plays defense and he's uber athletic. He's a team first player and most of all he costs the Knicks NO assets. Powell can get his own shots which is what the Knicks desperately need with the first unit. I don't think the Knicks can keep Bullock and still get Powell but that's a good trade. I like Reggie but a pure scorer especially off the bounce he isn't.
I believe Frank is gone and maybe Knox too. The Knicks can add 3 draft picks and who knows what player may want to be with this team. The Knicks are a pretty good team now. They can be a lot better next season by just being smart and staying away from the quick fix. |
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Post by rxmeister on May 25, 2021 7:15:16 GMT -5
Don’t really want to think about free agency while this series is still going on, but the Sunday- Wednesday break certainly gives us the opportunity to do so which the rest of the series format won’t. I’m still firmly on the Lonzo Ball train, although we need desperately to add someone to go to with the game on the line so no other season will ever again come down to a Julius Randle turn around jumper with 0.9 seconds left ever again. Adding three point shooters would be nice, but the Knicks actually finished third in the league in three point shooting percentage this year, so I’m not sure it’s a priority with the bulk of the cap space. Getting a cheaper option to come off the bench would be nice though. I love this team and certainly want every player that Jason mentioned back, but our team as constituted is second round at best, and if we bring back everybody will we have the cap space to make the leap to contender? Irish likes Vildoza, but do the Knicks really think he’s the answer, or did they just take advantage of the system where they had the cap space and other teams didn’t, and think he can be a contributor off the bench? I think it’s the latter. I would sign Lonzo and look for the the disgruntled star that wants out, the latest on the list seems to be Donovan Mitchell. He’s just an example though, and if he’s unavailable there will be someone else. Work them phones, Leon and Wes! And I don’t care how many number ones they have to trade to get a Mitchell, a Beal or a Dame. You want more Kevin Knox’, DSJ’s, Frankies etc, or do you want real NBA superstars?
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Post by jbnewyork162 on May 25, 2021 8:05:54 GMT -5
Don’t really want to think about free agency while this series is still going on, but the Sunday- Wednesday break certainly gives us the opportunity to do so which the rest of the series format won’t. I’m still firmly on the Lonzo Ball train, although we need desperately to add someone to go to with the game on the line so no other season will ever again come down to a Julius Randle turn around jumper with 0.9 seconds left ever again. Adding three point shooters would be nice, but the Knicks actually finished third in the league in three point shooting percentage this year, so I’m not sure it’s a priority with the bulk of the cap space. Getting a cheaper option to come off the bench would be nice though. I love this team and certainly want every player that Jason mentioned back, but our team as constituted is second round at best, and if we bring back everybody will we have the cap space to make the leap to contender? Irish likes Vildoza, but do the Knicks really think he’s the answer, or did they just take advantage of the system where they had the cap space and other teams didn’t, and think he can be a contributor off the bench? I think it’s the latter. I would sign Lonzo and look for the the disgruntled star that wants out, the latest on the list seems to be Donovan Mitchell. He’s just an example though, and if he’s unavailable there will be someone else. Work them phones, Leon and Wes! And I don’t care how many number ones they have to trade to get a Mitchell, a Beal or a Dame. You want more Kevin Knox’, DSJ’s, Frankies etc, or do you want real NBA superstars? Interesting. While we did finish high in percentage this year we don't have that Steve Novak type of shooter as Burks and Bullock aren't as automatic as say, Gallinari, Bogdonivic, or Huerter are. A pure shooter and a PG and a disgruntled star could all be had. I dont think our offseason approach should be one dimensional. Rose and Aller and Wes can do multiple things at one time. I want an elite shooter that adds to what we have amongst other things. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 8:18:42 GMT -5
I don't think Vildoza was signed to resolve the pg oroblem. I think he replaces Frank as the 3rd pg.
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Post by jbnewyork162 on May 26, 2021 19:44:06 GMT -5
I want to resign Burks, Rose, Noel(to a reasonable deal), Mitch and I suppose Bullock. But I want to go either via trade or with some free agency money, hard after a shooter. I know we need a point guard to replace Payton. But Atlanta had Huerter(always liked him), Gallo(been there and done that), and Bogdonovic(wanted him last offseason). What if we go after Miami Heats Duncan Robinson. He's playoff tested hungry and can shoot lights out and he could definitely bolster our 2 guard/wing spot even possibly replacing Bullock if we can sign all three of Burks/Bullock and Duncan. I don't want to put all our eggs in one basket but we need to be aggressive in the market for shooters and more importantly shot makers. Thoughts? Any other shooters we can acquire this offseason to take our team up a notch?
Payton is a lock not to be re-signed by the Knicks. I agree with Jason that Rose, Burks and Mitch are the priorities followed by Noel and Bullock. One off the side effects of COVID-19 is the hit most teams took on revenue which cuts down how much they are willing to spend on free agents. That said we could get all our free agents at decently reasonable rates.
Then what? I think Duncan Robinson could help the Knicks but two things come to mind. First is Miami is going to keep him and if they don't we'd have to seriously over pay him. Second is Robinson is a great shooter and an adequate defender but he's not a dynamic scorer. The Knicks need a dynamic scorer. BUT I also think Bogdanovic would have been a perfect fit because unlike Robinson he can score off the bounce.
Preferably we could sign/trade for a scorer to be our #1 option. I have mentioned Bradley Beal before and he's a perfect fit. But it would cost a lot to get Beal. A LOT. If Philly doesn't make the Finals and/or win the whole thing Tobias Harris could be on the market. The catch is Tobias is due 106 million over the next 3 years. Plus would Philly trade with the Knicks? Likely not. Who else is out there? I don't want the Knicks thinking immediate which means Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul are out. Kawhi isn't leaving the Clippers. I can't think of a superstar we could get without overpaying in a trade like Melo or hoping and praying in free agency. I don't think we need to act desperate either given how well the Knicks did THIS year knowing the assets they can add in the the next 3 or 4 years.
My thinking is the Knicks spent some of their cap room on Luka Vildoza for a reason. The kid is a player and I think the Knicks feel he can take Payton's place at PG and partner with DRose, IQ and Burks. Putting Vildoza into the rotation means the Knicks can get less specific addressing their needs position wise. I don't think NY can get the superstar scorer they wish but as they have proved this year they can win by committee and that means better talent. Upgrade the talent and add scoring.
I like DeMar DeRozan but he's a horrendous 3 point shooter and he's going to be 32. Those two things alone make him a hard pass but he'll also want to get paid. Do I want a 20+ million a year player who is 32 years old and shoots 26% from the 3 point line? My choice all along stays the same. Norman Powell. He's a swingman though I see him at SG with RJ moving to SF. Powell can score and he's a good shooter. He's in the prime of his career and he's worked with good teams and good players before. He plays defense and he's uber athletic. He's a team first player and most of all he costs the Knicks NO assets. Powell can get his own shots which is what the Knicks desperately need with the first unit. I don't think the Knicks can keep Bullock and still get Powell but that's a good trade. I like Reggie but a pure scorer especially off the bounce he isn't.
I believe Frank is gone and maybe Knox too. The Knicks can add 3 draft picks and who knows what player may want to be with this team. The Knicks are a pretty good team now. They can be a lot better next season by just being smart and staying away from the quick fix. I'm looking at how smooth Bogdonavic is for Atlanta and we need a Duncan Robinson type shooter to go along with our existing guys next year. I would've loved to have gotten Joe Harris last summer when no one wanted to sign him for what he did. He's been everything and more for the Nyets so much so that Harden and Kyrie can have an off night sometimes. |
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Post by irish2u2 on May 26, 2021 22:40:16 GMT -5
I don't think Vildoza was signed to resolve the pg oroblem. I think he replaces Frank as the 3rd pg. |
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Post by irish2u2 on May 26, 2021 22:47:09 GMT -5
He's been everything and more for the Nyets so much so that Harden and Kyrie can have an off night sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 2:23:33 GMT -5
Management found Burks,IQ, Obi Rose etc. With cap space and multiple picks, I'd bet they find more talent. Even without garnering a superstar.
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Post by rxmeister on May 27, 2021 6:30:36 GMT -5
Agree, Gates, but what they built with all those moves was a fourth seed with a second round limit. You’re going to need elite talent to become a championship team however. And Jason, while a three point sniper would be a great addition, who’s saying the superstar we might add can’t hit threes? I’d rather sacrifice a few percentage points to get a better rounded superstar. And again, we were one of the top three point shooting teams in the league.
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Post by irish2u2 on May 27, 2021 6:57:53 GMT -5
This summer should be amazing!! What Rose and Company have done so far is an indicator that better days are ahead. I agree with Mark we need an elite superstar level player. Can we get one? Eventually. Do we already have one? Maybe. Eventually. The jump in RJ’s game this season portends potentially great things in his future.
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Post by ReneNYG1 on Jun 9, 2021 8:42:16 GMT -5
Thibs was after Powell so if Thibs has a say we might be getting a great shooter in Powell in Free Agency he shouldn't break the bank too.
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Post by garyd on Jun 10, 2021 9:41:07 GMT -5
Regarding DeRozan I followed him since HS through USC and into pros.
He rarely has been a great 3 point shooter but he is the BEST at getting into the key and scoring, the VERY best. I've seen him take on double teams and squeeze through to the basket getting the old 3 point play ( Basket plus FT). He a good distributor- 3.8apg, 2.0topg, 4.4rpg, 1.0spg, 20.1 ppg.
DeRozan: 46% FG overall, 28.1 3PT FG, 83.2% FT
And rock steady----Dec 2020 21.5ppg/ Jan 2021 19.4/ Feb 21.3/ Mar 21.2/ Apr 24.5/ May 22.0ppg. That's exactly the guy we missed IMO.
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Post by irish2u2 on Jun 12, 2021 11:49:23 GMT -5
Regarding DeRozan I followed him since HS through USC and into pros. He rarely has been a great 3 point shooter but he is the BEST at getting into the key and scoring, the VERY best. I've seen him take on double teams and squeeze through to the basket getting the old 3 point play ( Basket plus FT). He a good distributor- 3.8apg, 2.0topg, 4.4rpg, 1.0spg, 20.1 ppg. DeRozan: 46% FG overall, 28.1 3PT FG, 83.2% FT And rock steady----Dec 2020 21.5ppg/ Jan 2021 19.4/ Feb 21.3/ Mar 21.2/ Apr 24.5/ May 22.0ppg. That's exactly the guy we missed IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 1:15:26 GMT -5
I want to resign Burks, Rose, Noel(to a reasonable deal), Mitch and I suppose Bullock. But I want to go either via trade or with some free agency money, hard after a shooter. I know we need a point guard to replace Payton. But Atlanta had Huerter(always liked him), Gallo(been there and done that), and Bogdonovic(wanted him last offseason). What if we go after Miami Heats Duncan Robinson. He's playoff tested hungry and can shoot lights out and he could definitely bolster our 2 guard/wing spot even possibly replacing Bullock if we can sign all three of Burks/Bullock and Duncan. I don't want to put all our eggs in one basket but we need to be aggressive in the market for shooters and more importantly shot makers. Thoughts? Any other shooters we can acquire this offseason to take our team up a notch? |
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